Multiple Business routes in one city

[theline]

Indiana is generally allergic to BRs, but South Bend and Peru each have two US routes. In South Bend, BR US-20 and US-31 are concurrent for one block in one direction, EB 20 and SB 31, but not in the other. This is subject to change as South Bend is in the process of converting the remaining downtown streets from one-way to two-way. Peru's US 31 and 24 are concurrent for about a mile.

I don't think the Hoosier state has any Interstate business routes, though I stand ready to be corrected.

[roadman65]

Indiana is generally allergic to BRs, but South Bend and Peru each have two US routes. In South Bend, BR US-20 and US-31 are concurrent for one block in one direction, EB 20 and SB 31, but not in the other. This is subject to change as South Bend is in the process of converting the remaining downtown streets from one-way to two-way. Peru's US 31 and 24 are concurrent for about a mile.

I don't think the Hoosier state has any Interstate business routes, though I stand ready to be corrected.

The last time I was in South Bend in 08, the business routes of both US 31 and US 20 were being removed.  On the St. Joseph Valley Parkway (the bypass freeway for both routes) both US 20 Business and US 31 Business were not signed at all.  Just "South Bend" and no route number or street name at the ramps leading to them.

I think that there are no business routes left and the old US 33 is now SR 933 along with old US 31 from Notre Dame to the Michigan  Border.

[NE2]

Unless there's one that spans multiple cities (and thus doesn't sort properly), Laurinburg NC and Warrenton VA appear to be the only ones with four U.S. business routes. Sort http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NE2/auxiliary by the third column.

[DandyDan]

Ottumwa, Iowa also has 2 business routes, for US 63 and US 34.  Not sure how I missed those, as I drove the length of both of them the last time I was in Ottumwa.

[US71]

Henryetta, OK  Bus I-40, BUS US 62, BUS US 75

[theline]

Indiana is generally allergic to BRs, but South Bend and Peru each have two US routes. In South Bend, BR US-20 and US-31 are concurrent for one block in one direction, EB 20 and SB 31, but not in the other. This is subject to change as South Bend is in the process of converting the remaining downtown streets from one-way to two-way. Peru's US 31 and 24 are concurrent for about a mile.

I don't think the Hoosier state has any Interstate business routes, though I stand ready to be corrected.

The last time I was in South Bend in 08, the business routes of both US 31 and US 20 were being removed.  On the St. Joseph Valley Parkway (the bypass freeway for both routes) both US 20 Business and US 31 Business were not signed at all.  Just "South Bend" and no route number or street name at the ramps leading to them.

I think that there are no business routes left and the old US 33 is now SR 933 along with old US 31 from Notre Dame to the Michigan  Border.

Signage of the US-31 and US-20 BRs have always been inconsistent, but I've heard of no plan to remove them. They are locally maintained except for the portion that also serves as SR-933, and the localities have no motivation to remove the designation.

[Mr_Northside]

I don't think I saw mention of Salisbury, MD, with a Business US-50 & 13.

[dfwmapper]

Wait a minute... 183, 277, and 283 are all concurrent around the town of Seymour. How else should its business route be numbered? I don't think it makes sense to just pick one number and ignore the rest. A business route for three concurrent highways through a town of 2700 is no more silly than a business route with only one number through the same town.

All but a half a mile are concurrent with either US 82 or SH 114. I wouldn't have given it a business designation at all, just some random spur route to cover the missing half mile.

[OracleUsr]

Seneca, SC, used to have three (Bus US 123/76-Bus SC 28) but now half of it is the last part of SC 130 and the other half the last part of SC 59

[txstateends]

Seymour - BU 183, 277, and 283, which are all concurrent with each other for the entire length, in the most pointless designation ever. Maybe one day they'll build a bridge over the Brazos west of town and reroute US 82 and SH 114 and end up with 5 business routes for a town of 2700.

I did check Google Street View at the edge of town on the bypass, didn't check the TxDOT designations file.  Now that I went back to look again, the signage doesn't completely describe the designation (which isn't a total surprise I guess).  Bypass BGSes at both ends show just US 183 having the BUS labeling, while pole signage at the turn from the ramp on the south end of the bypass just shows US 277 as having the BUS label.  Then the latest in-town signage (March 2013-February 2014) shows full non-BUS signage for all 3 US routes, like there wasn't a bypass.

Wait a minute... 183, 277, and 283 are all concurrent around the town of Seymour. How else should its business route be numbered? I don't think it makes sense to just pick one number and ignore the rest. A business route for three concurrent highways through a town of 2700 is no more silly than a business route with only one number through the same town.

I have noticed a couple of business routes where only 1 of the 2 main route designations is represented in town on the BUS signage.  Bus US 81 in Rhome, NW of Fort Worth, doesn't include signage for US 287 as a BUS route.  Same with Durant, OK, even though the main route is US 69 and US 75, the BUS route is only signed as US 69.

[TheStranger]

In the 1960s, Sacramento had multiple business routes (due to the gradual decommissioning of US 40 and US 99) - unsigned Route 275 was Business I-80 when 80 was still routed on today's business loop freeway, while Del Paso Boulevard and El Camino Avenue in North Sacramento were part of Business US 40.  And Stockton Boulevard at the time was Business US 50/99.

Much further north along I-5, the community of Williams has a Business I-5 and a Business Route 20.

[Avalanchez71]

Indiana is generally allergic to BRs, but South Bend and Peru each have two US routes. In South Bend, BR US-20 and US-31 are concurrent for one block in one direction, EB 20 and SB 31, but not in the other. This is subject to change as South Bend is in the process of converting the remaining downtown streets from one-way to two-way. Peru's US 31 and 24 are concurrent for about a mile.

I don't think the Hoosier state has any Interstate business routes, though I stand ready to be corrected.

What happended to all of the US 41 Business routes in IN?  I recall seeing a bunch one year and then none another year.

[theline]

Vincennes still has a BR 41: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.692777,-87.497926,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suUjTHi9G2R4VNAeaQsbWsw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

I'm not familiar with any others. What were you thinking of, Avalanchez?

[Avalanchez71]

Vincennes still has a BR 41: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.692777,-87.497926,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suUjTHi9G2R4VNAeaQsbWsw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

I'm not familiar with any others. What were you thinking of, Avalanchez?

Princeton
Kentland
Morroco?
Terre Haute
Evansville

[cl94]

Business routes in New York are a rare occurrence. No business interstates, one business US route (BR US 62), and I don't know of any business SRs. Route designations typically run along major streets with few freeway bypasses. In spots where a bannered designation could be used, a suffix or three digit number is typically used instead. As such, no cities have more than one signed BR, but there are places with multiple state routes that act as BRs.

[andy3175]

San Diego has had a Business I-5 and a Business I-8 at the same time though I'm not sure either one still exists.

Oakland used to have Business US 40 (now Route 123) and Business US 50 (which ran along a mile or two of the Cypress section of Route 17/today's I-880, then on surface streets including Grand Avenue).

Was the "Business I-5" along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles a real designation, or just something Rand McNally put on maps regularly decades ago?  IIRC, Business US 101 along Ventura Boulevard did exist.

Riverside has a Business Route 91 and used to have a Business US 395.

Bakersfield has a Business Route 58 and a Business Route 99 (which intersect if I am not mistaken).

San Diego's Business 5 is largely gone with only one route marker remaining along Mission Bay Drive in Pacific Beach. Business 8 is fully signed along El Cajon Blvd in the city of El Cajon and partially signed along El Cajon Blvd in San Diego. It is unsigned in the city of La Mesa and almost anywhere (except for one trailblazer shield on 9th Ave) west of I-805.

Business 91 in Riverside is pretty much gone. I went through there two years ago and saw no shields. The old Alt 91 and Bus 91 signs were largely removed when the 91 freeway widening happened in downtown Riverside.

Business 58 in Bakersfield appears to be gone, too. There are no signs for it from 58 itself or on Edison Hwy itself. Having written that, it has been 5 or so years since I last drove on Edison Hwy. By comparison, Business 99 in Bakersfield is probably the best signed 99 business route in California.

Somewhere I saw a picture of a Business 101 shield on Ventura Blvd in Los Angeles, but I cannot recall where I'd seen it. Business Loop I-5 was signed as Business US 6-99 for a time, but I've never since evidence of a Business 5 sign anywhere along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles. I've driven the length of that road and have not seen any Business 5 signs left over - only a few Historic 99 signs. I don't think there are any other business routes in the city of Los Angeles.

San Bernardino has signed Business SR 30, Business SR 18, and almost Business Loop I-10. Business 18-30 share pavement on Highland Ave, and Business 18 takes Sierra Ave north to rejoin its parent. Business 30 should not be signed any longer since its parent is now SR 210, but no one replaced Business 30 with Business 210. Business 10 stays west of San Bernardino to serve Colton along Valley Blvd, but it comes very close to the city limits of San Bernardino. There used to be Business US 66 (later California 106 and now a city street) along Kendall Dr and E Street. A set of signs outside the McDonald's Museum says Historic Business US 66.

[Brian556]

Quote from txstate ends:

Bus US 81 in Rhome, NW of Fort Worth, doesn't include signage for US 287 as a BUS route.

Concerning BUS Routes in TX:

In Rhome, it was signed BUS 81 and 287 as of 2010. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.055318,-97.472667,3a,23.8y,10.67h,87.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRG0TtEyz_P-abPIvw2loCw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DRG0TtEyz_P-abPIvw2loCw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D100%26h%3D80%26yaw%3D72.425934%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656

So was the one in Decatur. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.201938,-97.56468,3a,23.1y,351.97h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVXwCTnH3w2xEknK4cnyEvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656In Decatur, some or all the signs on the square used to only have the FM roads, and completely omitted the BUS routes, but that was fixed a few years back.This assembly omits BUS 287 due to space constraints.https://www.google.com/maps/@33.234744,-97.586211,3a,39.9y,281.86h,90.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sg0S5JH7vMwpGZUEA-K1oaQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

In Ft Worth/Saginaw: BUS 287 was signed as regular 287 until recently.

In Lewisville, During a recent sign replacement, TxDOT removed the BUS 121 shields, and replaced them with new non-BUS shields, and failed to add the BUS plaque.

The only time I've seem omissions like you describe is for US Hwy's on BGS's in Chattanooga, TN. On several signs in that city, they omit non-bus US shields. The exit on I-75 for US 41/76 is just signed US 41.

[froggie]

Suffolk, VA has at least 3. US 13, 58, and 460, and maybe VA 32. Posting exists for the latter but I don't know if it's an official designation.

It's not.  Officially, vanilla VA 32 still goes through downtown Suffolk.

I have noticed a couple of business routes where only 1 of the 2 main route designations is represented in town on the BUS signage.

Washington, VA has this...though BUS 522 exists, only BUS 211 is signed.

[Gulol]

San Diego has had a Business I-5 and a Business I-8 at the same time though I'm not sure either one still exists.

Oakland used to have Business US 40 (now Route 123) and Business US 50 (which ran along a mile or two of the Cypress section of Route 17/today's I-880, then on surface streets including Grand Avenue).

Was the "Business I-5" along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles a real designation, or just something Rand McNally put on maps regularly decades ago?  IIRC, Business US 101 along Ventura Boulevard did exist.

Riverside has a Business Route 91 and used to have a Business US 395.

Bakersfield has a Business Route 58 and a Business Route 99 (which intersect if I am not mistaken).

San Diego's Business 5 is largely gone with only one route marker remaining along Mission Bay Drive in Pacific Beach. Business 8 is fully signed along El Cajon Blvd in the city of El Cajon and partially signed along El Cajon Blvd in San Diego. It is unsigned in the city of La Mesa and almost anywhere (except for one trailblazer shield on 9th Ave) west of I-805.

Business 91 in Riverside is pretty much gone. I went through there two years ago and saw no shields. The old Alt 91 and Bus 91 signs were largely removed when the 91 freeway widening happened in downtown Riverside.

Business 58 in Bakersfield appears to be gone, too. There are no signs for it from 58 itself or on Edison Hwy itself. Having written that, it has been 5 or so years since I last drove on Edison Hwy. By comparison, Business 99 in Bakersfield is probably the best signed 99 business route in California.

Somewhere I saw a picture of a Business 101 shield on Ventura Blvd in Los Angeles, but I cannot recall where I'd seen it. Business Loop I-5 was signed as Business US 6-99 for a time, but I've never since evidence of a Business 5 sign anywhere along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles. I've driven the length of that road and have not seen any Business 5 signs left over - only a few Historic 99 signs. I don't think there are any other business routes in the city of Los Angeles.

San Bernardino has signed Business SR 30, Business SR 18, and almost Business Loop I-10. Business 18-30 share pavement on Highland Ave, and Business 18 takes Sierra Ave north to rejoin its parent. Business 30 should not be signed any longer since its parent is now SR 210, but no one replaced Business 30 with Business 210. Business 10 stays west of San Bernardino to serve Colton along Valley Blvd, but it comes very close to the city limits of San Bernardino. There used to be Business US 66 (later California 106 and now a city street) along Kendall Dr and E Street. A set of signs outside the McDonald's Museum says Historic Business US 66.

The Business 101 signage I remember along Ventura Blvd was at Topanga Cyn Blvd.  I believe it was there through the late 80s and was taken down around the time that section of the Ventura Fwy was rebuilt.

Completely separate from CA, Greeley, CO has business US 85 and US 34

[Mapmikey]

I have noticed a couple of business routes where only 1 of the 2 main route designations is represented in town on the BUS signage.

Washington, VA has this...though BUS 522 exists, only BUS 211 is signed.

There are also examples where only one of the routes is designated at all...

US 19 Bus in Murphy NC and Andrews NC (US 19-129 on the bypass)
US 13 Bus is not designated in Williamston NC or Goldsboro NC although in these cases the bypasses existed before US 13 was routed through these places
US 74 Bus is not designated in Waynesville NC but is in the same boat as US 13
SC 28 Bus in Pendleton SC (US 76 is also on the bypass)
When US 21 Bus through Rock Hill SC existed it did not carry SC 121 Bus while US 21 Bypass carried SC 121.
Only NC 11 Bus is in Aulander NC while NC 11-42 is on the bypass

Mike

[thenetwork]

Fremont, Ohio has/had what was known as "City Routes", which were essentially business route markers on the original alignments of all the area routes that ODOT later moved to the new bypass which was built around the city in the 60s.  The city routes included US-6, US-20 and Ohio routes 12, 19 and 53.

[Rothman]

Wasn't there both a Business US 2 and Business US 53 in Superior, WI at one point?  Maybe there was only one.  Can't find either one on the map, but could have sworn there was something like that when I lived there (many moons ago).

ETA: Maybe I'm thinking of truck routes.

[bugo]

Henryetta, OK  Bus I-40, BUS US 62, BUS US 75

Are there business routes for both US 69 and US 75 in Durant, OK? There is going to be another business US highway when they finish the US 70 bypass.

[peterj920]

Welcome to Wisconsin - the land of concurrent business routes (US 18/151 Business in Verona, Mount Horeb) and WIS 42/57 Business in Sturgeon Bay.

In Watertown, WI there is a Business WIS 26 AND Business WIS 16, and Monroe, WI has a Business WIS 69 and Business WIS 11 also.   

[SSOWorld]

Welcome to Wisconsin - the land of concurrent business routes (US 18/151 Business in Verona, Mount Horeb) and WIS 42/57 Business in Sturgeon Bay.

In Watertown, WI there is a Business WIS 26 AND Business WIS 16, and Monroe, WI has a Business WIS 69 and Business WIS 11 also.   

Though not concurrent, this is true.

San Diego has had a Business I-5 and a Business I-8 at the same time though I'm not sure either one still exists.

Oakland used to have Business US 40 (now Route 123) and Business US 50 (which ran along a mile or two of the Cypress section of Route 17/today's I-880, then on surface streets including Grand Avenue).

Was the "Business I-5" along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles a real designation, or just something Rand McNally put on maps regularly decades ago?  IIRC, Business US 101 along Ventura Boulevard did exist.

Riverside has a Business Route 91 and used to have a Business US 395.

Bakersfield has a Business Route 58 and a Business Route 99 (which intersect if I am not mistaken).

San Diego's Business 5 is largely gone with only one route marker remaining along Mission Bay Drive in Pacific Beach. Business 8 is fully signed along El Cajon Blvd in the city of El Cajon and partially signed along El Cajon Blvd in San Diego. It is unsigned in the city of La Mesa and almost anywhere (except for one trailblazer shield on 9th Ave) west of I-805.

Business 91 in Riverside is pretty much gone. I went through there two years ago and saw no shields. The old Alt 91 and Bus 91 signs were largely removed when the 91 freeway widening happened in downtown Riverside.

Business 58 in Bakersfield appears to be gone, too. There are no signs for it from 58 itself or on Edison Hwy itself. Having written that, it has been 5 or so years since I last drove on Edison Hwy. By comparison, Business 99 in Bakersfield is probably the best signed 99 business route in California.

Somewhere I saw a picture of a Business 101 shield on Ventura Blvd in Los Angeles, but I cannot recall where I'd seen it. Business Loop I-5 was signed as Business US 6-99 for a time, but I've never since evidence of a Business 5 sign anywhere along San Fernando Road in Los Angeles. I've driven the length of that road and have not seen any Business 5 signs left over - only a few Historic 99 signs. I don't think there are any other business routes in the city of Los Angeles.

San Bernardino has signed Business SR 30, Business SR 18, and almost Business Loop I-10. Business 18-30 share pavement on Highland Ave, and Business 18 takes Sierra Ave north to rejoin its parent. Business 30 should not be signed any longer since its parent is now SR 210, but no one replaced Business 30 with Business 210. Business 10 stays west of San Bernardino to serve Colton along Valley Blvd, but it comes very close to the city limits of San Bernardino. There used to be Business US 66 (later California 106 and now a city street) along Kendall Dr and E Street. A set of signs outside the McDonald's Museum says Historic Business US 66.

I am not sure who is responsible for California's business route signings, but these routes are poorly signed where I saw them (mainly southern CA but a few along SR-99 as well.  No freeways have the shields on their BGSs (in fact they usually have - in text - route XX Business - on a supplementary sign.)