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New yellow "LEFT" tabs on BGSs for left exits?

Started by lepidopteran, August 14, 2015, 12:24:33 PM

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pctech

Agreed about the I-10 I-12 east bound split. Arrow per lane would be better on BGS.  LADODT seems to afraid of them. :rolleyes:


OracleUsr

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
It's in the MUTCD, and has been in effect for several years now.

An example:

http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2e_14_longdesc.htm



I'll bet Md will be forever using any "LEFT" banner, top of or inside the tab.  SC too.
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roadfro

Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2015, 07:30:10 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 16, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
I have seen some around on ramps without exit numbers.  They are popping up more and more on many state freeways and maybe even some arterials.


We have a good number of "Left Exit" tabs here without exit numbers, primarily (but not exclusively) in the HO/T lanes where most (but again, not all) exits are on the left and all the exits are unnumbered. The style they used varies. There are some that don't say "exit," perhaps because "Exit Only" was deemed sufficient (note I don't know if that was the rationale, I'm just guessing).....

Actually, per the MUTCD, all that is required is the yellow "LEFT" plaque where exits are unnumbered.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:


IIRC, some BGS' in Maryland use a similar all-horizontal LEFT-Exit tab.  I like that design as well as what MassDOT uses.

Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Interesting that DC has adopted the MassDOT practice of providing a separate "LEFT" panel above the exit tab, instead of using the MUTCD standard of incorporating 'LEFT' into the exit tab itself.
I thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow LEFT and green EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom.  The DC example's separate LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.

Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Hope this works.
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Clearly such is a candidate for this:


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roadman

#29
QuoteI thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow LEFT and green EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom.  The DC example's separate LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.

MassDOT practice is to detail the installation for LEFT exit tabs on project plans as two separate tabs, one indicating "LEFT" and one indicating "EXIT XX".  Most fabricator face drawings I've seen for these tabs also show two separate tabs.  Because there are no intermediate borders is only one intermediate border (top of exit number tab), it looks like a single big tab when assembled.
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roadman65

Quote from: PHLBOS on August 18, 2015, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
The MUTCD-standard application makes the exit tab way too tall. WSDOT does it right:


IIRC, some BGS' in Maryland use a similar all-horizontal LEFT-Exit tab.  I like that design as well as what MassDOT uses.

Quote from: roadman on August 14, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Interesting that DC has adopted the MassDOT practice of providing a separate "LEFT" panel above the exit tab, instead of using the MUTCD standard of incorporating 'LEFT' into the exit tab itself.
I thought MassDOT's tab used a taller composite tab but split the yellow LEFT and green EXIT XX sections respectively from top to bottom.  The DC example's separate LEFT tab is narrower than the exit tab itself.

Quote from: pctech on August 14, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4211928,-91.1255004,3a,75y,99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZwvXf3ZgoiV7KoKrrfXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Hope this works.
I-10 East approaching I-12 interchange.
We will not talk about that abomination... EVER !  :)

Clearly such is a candidate for this:



Then include this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/17365287202/in/album-72157637222600296/
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PHLBOS

Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2015, 05:05:39 PMThen include this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/17365287202/in/album-72157637222600296/
At least that one doesn't use Clearview for its Interstate numerals, though they're still a tad oversized.  That 3di-shield for I-10 just does not look right.
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cpzilliacus

I took some of new signs on Md. 32 at I-95 in Howard County recently.  Posted on Facebook here (but no Facebook account needed).
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jakeroot

Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
I took some of new signs on Md. 32 at I-95 in Howard County recently.  Posted on Facebook here (but no Facebook account needed).

I thought Clearview numerals were dead, outside of Louisiana? :-D Anyhow, glad to see other states adopting the single-line "left" exit tab.

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jbnv

Quote from: pctech on August 17, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
Arrow per lane would be better on BGS.  LADODT seems to afraid of them. :rolleyes:

Good luck with that. Looks to me that LADOTD is moving away from unisigns. At least I don't recall seeing any new (<5 years) unisigns in south Louisiana.
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vegas1962

This link shows an oddity on westbound I-96 where it joins I-275/M-14 -- a yellow "LEFT" tab on the pull-through BGS directing drivers from WB I-96 to WB M-14.  There is nothing left-trending about this section; it's as straight-thru as can be.  But MDOT for some reason opted to use the LEFT tab on the M-14 pull-through, presumably because the ramp from WB I-96 connecting to NB I-275 definitely curves to the right.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3847166,-83.4283357,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKYsjvmLYFSDMQtS8XNeCvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

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Tom958

Quote from: SignGeek101 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:09 AMHere is an APL example:

https://goo.gl/maps/J7K5P1q8cD52


Anybody who's too stupid to realize that that's a left exit is also too stupid to be driving a car.  :pan:

jakeroot

#39
Quote from: Tom958 on November 01, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:09 AMHere is an APL example:

https://goo.gl/maps/J7K5P1q8cD52

Anybody who's too stupid to realize that that's a left exit is also too stupid to be driving a car.  :pan:

And it's really not even an exit. That split is just after the Port Mann Bridge, and the lanes (as you can see by panning around) have already exited from the mainlines, before they even crossed the bridge (about a kilometre back). By virtue of being on the rightmost carriageway, you have already exited the freeway, thus this "left exit" is nonsense anyways.

It's the equivalent of signing a left exit at a Parclo B4, and saying that the loop, because you had to stay to the left to use it, is a left exit.

Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.

jbnv

Quote from: jakeroot on November 01, 2015, 01:33:03 PM
Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.

How are either of these ludicrous?
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jakeroot

Quote from: jbnv on November 01, 2015, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 01, 2015, 01:33:03 PM
Also, I'm a bit annoyed that BC has started to adopt some of the more ludicrous parts of the MUTCD, such as yellow left exit tabs, and raised-caps on cardinal directions.

How are either of these ludicrous?

I've never found either to be necessary. I'm okay with raised-caps for cardinal directions (they're not that bad), but left exit tabs are just outrageous. The word "left" is perfectly acceptable.

OracleUsr

Especially in a province that already uses the EXIT word in their tabs.  Yes, a simple LEFT would be preferred.  NC does this too, even when it's not really an exit.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Garner,+NC/@35.733616,-78.650976,3a,66.8y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1szspD-T2Jhymnh4X0Jwbv6w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89ac6089b5460321:0x47e82079f2e7d931

In fact, if anything, at this junction, US 401 should be the exit, not US 70.

And, yes, I am a fan of raised caps.
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hbelkins

Quote from: jbnv on November 05, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
First, I can think of only two states (Texas and Virginia) that have "distinctive and differentiating" route shields for primary and secondary networks. (County roads don't count.)

Also, Tennessee. And technically West Virginia, since what are frequently called county routes are actually state-maintained. And Missouri, too, since the lettered routes are state routes.
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roadman65

I see NJDOT has them in Trenton, NJ on the Trenton Freeway at unnumbered left exits such as for US 1 Business and the other two left ramps.
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jbnv

We're off-track. The point is that uniform shape and color makes it easier to tell what is going on. You and I agree on this point. This is particularly true for left exits, not so much true for secondary highways that are distinguished by number or name.
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