70 MPH Speed Limit Increase To 70 In Pennsylvania???

[cl94]

Wow 36 bucks to ride from Gateway to Delaware River Bridge.  That means that anyone making minimum wage would need to give up over four hours worth of wages to drive the whole length just for the tolls alone.

I doubt that there are many people driving the whole length of the Turnpike on their own dime.

Yes. If you're going from Ohio to Jersey, it's better to take I-80 or get off at the Schuylkill or US 1 unless you're going to somewhere in the vicinity of I-195.

[SteveG1988]

Wow 36 bucks to ride from Gateway to Delaware River Bridge.  That means that anyone making minimum wage would need to give up over four hours worth of wages to drive the whole length just for the tolls alone.

I doubt that there are many people driving the whole length of the Turnpike on their own dime.

Yes. If you're going from Ohio to Jersey, it's better to take I-80 or get off at the Schuylkill or US 1 unless you're going to somewhere in the vicinity of I-195.

In my own car, going from NJ back to ND i took 476 up to 80, and cut accross, at the time (2009) it was cheaper by about 2/3

[Alps]

So...I drove the 70 mph stretch on I-80 Westbound to Ohio this past Friday night.  Now, I'm always one to say one trip doesn't tell the whole story, but...

I was amazed at how slow some traffic was.  Yes, almost all of us have had issues with trucks driving beside each other for a while, but I was getting that with standard cars up here.  And I was dealing with cars going 60 mph in the left lane in the 70 zone...and they were still PASSING slower traffic!  Was there something up ahead that they were hesitant on reaching???!!!  I had my cruise at about 74 mph, and was by far one of the faster vehicles. 

I know they're still in the 'testing' phase of this 70 mph zone, but hopefully they go and expand it soon.  I haven't heard many issues regarding the speed limit increase.

Oh hey, Today You Learned PA drivers go slowly in the left lane.

[jeffandnicole]

So...I drove the 70 mph stretch on I-80 Westbound to Ohio this past Friday night.  Now, I'm always one to say one trip doesn't tell the whole story, but...

I was amazed at how slow some traffic was.  Yes, almost all of us have had issues with trucks driving beside each other for a while, but I was getting that with standard cars up here.  And I was dealing with cars going 60 mph in the left lane in the 70 zone...and they were still PASSING slower traffic!  Was there something up ahead that they were hesitant on reaching???!!!  I had my cruise at about 74 mph, and was by far one of the faster vehicles. 

I know they're still in the 'testing' phase of this 70 mph zone, but hopefully they go and expand it soon.  I haven't heard many issues regarding the speed limit increase.

Oh hey, Today You Learned PA drivers go slowly in the left lane.

That's the point...many of them weren't PA drivers. And they were following basic courtesy: They kept right, passed left, then moved right again. They were just going 60 while passing someone going 50-55 mph in a 70 zone!

[MASTERNC]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

[Buffaboy]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

[Rothman]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

[cl94]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

[Rothman]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

[cl94]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

Most of that mentality is with the people in government. New York's speed limit was 70 before NMSL, believe it or not, and the roads have only gotten better.

That one is nonsense, as are the ones on I-290, parts of the Thruway, the Northway, the Taconic/Sprain Brook south of US 6, the LIE, Sunrise Highway... Not like anybody other than Granny Smith and old guy who likes cowboy hats goes the speed limit, anyway.

[Gnutella]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

[Buffaboy]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

Most of that mentality is with the people in government. New York's speed limit was 70 before NMSL, believe it or not, and the roads have only gotten better.

That one is nonsense, as are the ones on I-290, parts of the Thruway, the Northway, the Taconic/Sprain Brook south of US 6, the LIE, Sunrise Highway... Not like anybody other than Granny Smith and old guy who likes cowboy hats goes the speed limit, anyway.

The current administration certainly believes in the "speed kills" argument, and is likely the reason we won't see speeds above 30 MPH on NY 198 ever again.

[Buck87]

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

Most of that mentality is with the people in government.

And people who post in the comment sections of online articles about speed limit increases.

[noelbotevera]

Here's a video and article to quench the stupid people of the government that speed kills, which, it does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKdbxX1pDw

http://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-best-takedown-of-the-speed-kills-myth-you-1302382244

So to increase safety, you need to increase limits. Except for high accident zones, (Schuykill Expressway for example) and if we go by the 85th percentile, we can easily support limits such as 80 or 85 MPH.

I know everyone is gonna complain, but as BC states that going 40 KPH over the limit means that here in the US, you're pretty much fine to go 25 MPH over the limit. I wouldn't use it as a basis, but it's a start.

So in conclusion, you can argue with cops that you are not going over the speed limit and are in fact going a reasonable and prudent speed.

[jeffandnicole]

So in conclusion, you can argue with cops that you are not going over the speed limit and are in fact going a reasonable and prudent speed.

You can argue with the cops that you are going a reasonable and prudent speed, but you can't argue you're not going over the speed limit if he stops you doing 10 over the signed limit.

And it's not really up to the cop as for your opinion.  You can retell that story to the judge.  BTW, if you do, you better bring along evidence supporting your opinion.

[J Route Z]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

[jp the roadgeek]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

Most of 84 in NY state is 65 now, except through the Newburgh area across the Newburgh-Beacon bridge and from Brewster to the CT line (where it's 55 anyway).  84 should extend the 65 zones (or at least try its first 60 MPH zones) in CT from Exits 25A- just before 33, and from 36-41.  The Wilbur Cross Parkway should also be 60 or 65, as should I-95 west of New Haven except through Stamford and Bridgeport (try doing it during rush hour, though), and CT 8 south of Naugatuck.

[cl94]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

[Buffaboy]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

[cl94]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

Depends on the cop. Either nobody, the out of state plate, the truck, or the person going slightly faster. The first is common if traffic is heavy.

[1995hoo]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

DWB.

[Rothman]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

Most of 84 in NY state is 65 now, except through the Newburgh area across the Newburgh-Beacon bridge and from Brewster to the CT line (where it's 55 anyway).

I believe 13 miles of I-84 are still 55 mph.  It's still excruciating.

[cl94]

Sounds like we could see more 70 MPH zones this year - final report is due in June.  So far, crashes haven't increased in number or severity.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/more-mph-zones-could-be-around-the-bend-in-pennsylvania/article_46d12f6a-c60a-11e5-92a1-1f5b14ef0f70.html

Is it wishful thinking that if PA does this, NY may do it to the Thruway?

Yes.

Dude, 75 mph was proposed a couple years ago by someone from the Bronx and I've heard nothing since. The majority of the state population likely wants it (and the elimination of the 55 limits downstate), but it won't get through the second floor of the Capitol. I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. Heck, I'd be happy if they got rid of even one of the many asinine 55 zones in this state.

I think the mentality that speed = death actually has a stronger hold on the mentality overall here in NY than in some other places.  I don't even think State Police are worried about lost revenue and that they understand that the speed limit increase will just increase speed overall and probably the same number of tickets will be handed out.  It's more about the line of reasoning that if you increase the speed limit, people will go faster and more people will die, as probably false that line is.

That said, I'm with cl94:  It'll be a great day when we get rid of those 55 zones (esp. the one on I-84).

Most of 84 in NY state is 65 now, except through the Newburgh area across the Newburgh-Beacon bridge and from Brewster to the CT line (where it's 55 anyway).

I believe 13 miles of I-84 are still 55 mph.  It's still excruciating.

Correct. From NY 17K to halfway between NY 9D and NY 52 and 1.5 miles west of I-684 to the state line. All of that except the stretch across the bridge could be 65.

[J Route Z]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

DWB.

Racist much? Probably true though.

[Buffaboy]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

DWB.

Well I don't know if I'm that easy to spot in traffic...

I've managed to dodge tickets however.