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Verona Road/US 151 study alternative

Started by Jordanah1, October 16, 2011, 11:55:27 AM

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on_wisconsin

#25
The "Letters to the Editor" section in today's Wisconsin State Journal is full of people wondering why WisDOT hasn't begun serious planning for either a Southern and/or Northern Bypass of Madison. One or two of them where even wondering why the state is wasting so much time (next 30- 40 years) with Verona Rd instead of getting true a East-West bypass on the docket.
"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson


WarrenWallace

First post, Madison based road nut.

From my readings about a potential east/west corridor mostly mirroring CTH M from Verona, a new roadway would not make much of a dent in the Verona Rd traffic.  The majority of that traffic is local with their ending destination being in the city core.  That and the townships in the path of an east/west road are very much against it (and the potential sprawl).
I hate sprawl!

on_wisconsin

#27
WisDOT came out with a new brochure yesterday (3/25) outlining the projects staring this year and next. The Beltline is going to be even more of a cluster with the Verona Rd overpass out/ down to 2 lanes.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/swregion/18151/docs/br-constructionevents.pdf
"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson

JREwing78

I'm glad my commute for the forseeable future won't involve the Beltline. Ugh!

tchafe1978

Time to start finding an alternative route through the area for my trips to the Milwaukee area to visit the parents.

WarrenWallace

I live on the SW side of Madison and rarely take Verona Rd due to the traffic light sequencing and the amount of heavy trucks.  Always get off the Beltline at Seminole.  Not pleased that road will be shut down for a big chunk of time either.  Gonna have to start taking US 14 more and cutting through Fitchburg on the way home from visiting family down in Janesville.
I hate sprawl!

tchafe1978

WisDOT just posted three new videos about the upcoming project. They can be viewed at www.VeronaRoadProject.wi.gov

on_wisconsin

"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson

Milwaukee, WY

Well if that assembly rep from Kaukauna gets his way, none of the CSD elements of this project will survive (too bad; the bridges look really nice). I swear the crazy cheapskates in this state are too much to handle at times...

SSOWorld

It's funny that someone from another part of the state is trying to dictate what happens on Madison's roads. :|
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

SEWIGuy

OK, considering the free flow option was discarded early, I think WIDOT did a pretty good job with this.  But Williamsburg Way has to be built as a half-diamond.  Putting a traffic light there would be terrible.

Milwaukee, WY

Quote from: SSOWorld on April 04, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
It's funny that someone from another part of the state is trying to dictate what happens on Madison's roads. :|

Yeah. Especially now that the roads in his part of the state have been redone and look fantastic.

Milwaukee, WY

Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 04, 2013, 09:20:44 AM
OK, considering the free flow option was discarded early, I think WIDOT did a pretty good job with this.  But Williamsburg Way has to be built as a half-diamond.  Putting a traffic light there would be terrible.

Agreed.  It would seem to be counter-productive to grade separate the remainder of the corridor only to have this intersection right in the middle have only a signal.  If they're going to spend the money, they should do it right the first time. 

JREwing78

#38
WisDOT has been maintaining a Facebook page with lots of good construction photos of this season's SPUI construction and Verona Rd. rebuild: https://www.facebook.com/WIVeronaRoadProject

Also: http://www.veronaroadproject.wi.gov/

JREwing78

From WisDOT:

TRAFFIC PATTERN CHANGE: Take some time to learn about the upcoming traffic staging plans on Verona Road (US 18/151) from the Beltline to Raymond Road. By Friday morning (May 30), the east side of Atticus Way/Summit Road intersection will be temporarily shifted to the north, across from Britta Parkway, until July 2014.

Download, print, save and SHARE the Verona Road traffic staging plans for late May until July 2014.

http://bit.ly/VRstaging

Remember...
- Two lanes will remain open to traffic in each direction on Verona Road, between the Beltline and Raymond Road.
- Access remains open to area businesses and neighborhoods.
- Please be alert for crews working in the area and drive with caution in all work zones.

Stay connected with the project website, www.VeronaRoadProject.wi.gov, and sign up for project email updates.

WarrenWallace

Bumping up this thread.

Stage 2 of the Verona Road construction has been delayed by 2 years.  This includes an interchange at Williamsburg Way, a SPUI at CTH PD / McKee Rd, and expanding the roadway to 3 lanes from Raymond Rd to McKee Rd.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/Verona-Road-construction-officially-delayed-DOT-says/35448262
I hate sprawl!

I-39

Quote from: WarrenWallace on September 24, 2015, 01:11:07 PM
Bumping up this thread.

Stage 2 of the Verona Road construction has been delayed by 2 years.  This includes an interchange at Williamsburg Way, a SPUI at CTH PD / McKee Rd, and expanding the roadway to 3 lanes from Raymond Rd to McKee Rd.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/Verona-Road-construction-officially-delayed-DOT-says/35448262


Geez, this is ridiculous. What the heck is going on? This and the I-39/90 rebuild/widen are critical projects that can't wait any longer.

SSOWorld

Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

GeekJedi

Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...
"Wisconsin - The Concurrency State!"

I-39

Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

peterj920

Quote from: I-39 on September 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

It's a tough situation.  Walker isn't the only politician that doesn't want to raise the gas tax.  Congress doesn't want to raise the federal gas tax either because people will revolt against it, and gas prices are a sensitive issue as it is.  John Oliver on HBO did a segment on crumbling infrastructure, and he showed a CSPAN segment where everyone who called in was against a gas tax increase and no one called in for support.  There was an automatic 1cent/year gas tax increase, but that ended under Jim Doyle.  At the same time, he doubled auto registration fees.  The reason why the gas tax doesn't go up is because it's a hard sell and considered political suicide.   

mgk920

Quote from: I-39 on September 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

Ahhhh, the repeal of the annual indexing to keep the fuel tax rate level with inflation was repealed under James Doyle, Walker's predecessor.

Mike

mgk920

#47
Quote from: peterj920 on September 25, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: I-39 on September 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

It's a tough situation.  Walker isn't the only politician that doesn't want to raise the gas tax.  Congress doesn't want to raise the federal gas tax either because people will revolt against it, and gas prices are a sensitive issue as it is.  John Oliver on HBO did a segment on crumbling infrastructure, and he showed a CSPAN segment where everyone who called in was against a gas tax increase and no one called in for support.  There was an automatic 1cent/year gas tax increase, but that ended under Jim Doyle.  At the same time, he doubled auto registration fees.  The reason why the gas tax doesn't go up is because it's a hard sell and considered political suicide.

It wasn't "1 cent/year", it varied based on the rate of inflation.  One year (early 1990s), the rate went DOWN slightly in the annual adjustment.

I'm to the point of strongly advocating repealing the segregated transport fund and special fuel tax entirely, replacing it with the regular retail sales tax, and putting roads and other transport on the general fund.

One counterpoint to the 'revolt' thing, how many incumbent Republican legislators in Michigan lost their seats in the first election after they approved an increase in their fuel tax rate a few years ago?

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on September 25, 2015, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on September 25, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: I-39 on September 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

It's a tough situation.  Walker isn't the only politician that doesn't want to raise the gas tax.  Congress doesn't want to raise the federal gas tax either because people will revolt against it, and gas prices are a sensitive issue as it is.  John Oliver on HBO did a segment on crumbling infrastructure, and he showed a CSPAN segment where everyone who called in was against a gas tax increase and no one called in for support.  There was an automatic 1cent/year gas tax increase, but that ended under Jim Doyle.  At the same time, he doubled auto registration fees.  The reason why the gas tax doesn't go up is because it's a hard sell and considered political suicide.

It wasn't "1 cent/year", it varied based on the rate of inflation.  One year (early 1990s), the rate went DOWN slightly in the annual adjustment.

I'm to the point of strongly advocating repealing the segregated transport fund and special fuel tax entirely, replacing it with the regular retail sales tax, and putting roads and other transport on the general fund.


So it can compete with every other priority?  I guess that's fine but you aren't going to solve the problem really.  You just can't keep reducing revenue relative to inflation.  My property taxes have gone 3.5% over the past two years.  I mean, that's nice and all, but you just can't keep doing this and expect that it isn't going to have an impact on the infrastructure of the state.

SSOWorld

Quote from: mgk920 on September 25, 2015, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on September 25, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: I-39 on September 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Still trying to figure out what is supposed to magically happen between 2017 and 2020 that will magically make these funds appear...

Unless they raise the gas tax, the money won't be there.

Not to get political, but I no longer like Scott Walker. What exactly is he trying to accomplish here? You can't just cut taxes/regulations and let it be a free for all. I thought there was supposed to be a dedicated fund for transportation monies?

It's a tough situation.  Walker isn't the only politician that doesn't want to raise the gas tax.  Congress doesn't want to raise the federal gas tax either because people will revolt against it, and gas prices are a sensitive issue as it is.  John Oliver on HBO did a segment on crumbling infrastructure, and he showed a CSPAN segment where everyone who called in was against a gas tax increase and no one called in for support.  There was an automatic 1cent/year gas tax increase, but that ended under Jim Doyle.  At the same time, he doubled auto registration fees.  The reason why the gas tax doesn't go up is because it's a hard sell and considered political suicide.

It wasn't "1 cent/year", it varied based on the rate of inflation.  One year (early 1990s), the rate went DOWN slightly in the annual adjustment.

I'm to the point of strongly advocating repealing the segregated transport fund and special fuel tax entirely, replacing it with the regular retail sales tax, and putting roads and other transport on the general fund.

One counterpoint to the 'revolt' thing, how many incumbent Republican legislators in Michigan lost their seats in the first election after they approved an increase in their fuel tax rate a few years ago?

Mike
I think that will make WisDOT the IDiOT of the north.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.



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