Former names you use without meaning to

[cl94]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

[MisterSG1]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

[cl94]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

Tourist agencies and tourists. Same people who ride those damn tour buses that clog up the streets and stand on the left side of the escalator.

[kkt]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.

Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.

[cl94]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.

Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.

Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.

[Max Rockatansky]

BTW, I haven't seen a crowd that small at Bristol in about 25 years....that doesn't bode well.

Lots of my friends noticed that too, and I have two theories.

One is all the tinkering NASCAR has done with the racing.

The other is Obama's economy. Bristol is very close to the heart of coal country. It's less than four hours from me and much closer to the coal-producing counties of SE Kentucky, SW Virginia and southern West Virginia. The coal mining economy has been wrecked and many locals can no longer afford to go. At one time, lodging from Bristol spilled over to Wise/Norton, Pikeville and even Prestonsburg and Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg/Sevierville. I bet that's not the case now.

Yeah I might have to seriously consider a spring race ticket if the crowds are going to be like that.  It wasn't too long ago that you couldn't even touch the place or stay anywhere near the track.  Apparently something is up because NASCAR is reducing seating capacity at almost every track and actively trying not to advertise attendance figures.  Oh well, I was more comfortable when it was a niche sport....it didn't have even a fraction of the political correctness that has sunk in since the avert the major network TV contracts.  Seemed to work for the NHL to take a step back as well, more isn't always better.

[SP Cook]

NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.

Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves.  Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death.  Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.

It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in. 

[Max Rockatansky]

NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.

Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves.  Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death.  Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.

It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.

But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin.  Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were.  Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.

[catch22]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

I spent part of my telecom career working for AT&T Long Lines (after the Bell System break-up, the name changed to AT&T Communications).  Long Lines' HQ was located at 32 Avenue of the Americas, but none of us ever called it that.  The building itself was always referred to inside the company simply as "Thirty-two Double-A," but we never called the street it was on anything except "Sixth Avenue."

[kkt]

Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.

Thanks for mentioning that. Somehow I had the impression the Park Avenue rename was when Grand Central Terminal was built and the tracks north of it put underground, but as you say it was way earlier.

[jp the roadgeek]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.

Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.

Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.

Does anyone call Broad St in Philly 14th St?  Or JFK Boulevard by its old name Filbert St?

[formulanone]

NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.

Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves.  Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death.  Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.

It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.

But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin.  Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were.  Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.

...the ever-increasing price of "going racing" and the expectations of over-professionalism expected by the teams has not helped one bit; to be fair, that's always occurred until a series just goes bust from bad management, it merges with something else, or teams flock to another series.

In a rather slow-growth economy, new teams aren't taking the leap from one tier to another as easily as before, so when a team folds up or closes shop because the bills can't get paid, there's nothing much to replace it with.

Probably the best hope for NASCAR's top tier is a new stock-car or production-based series to challenge it...which might ruin it or improve it. Since it sees itself as top dog in North American motor sports for past 20 years, it's probably just going to stay the course until it decides to return to its roots. Loads of sponsors will have to pull out before that ever happens, there's too many vested interests at stake.

[noelbotevera]

Beach 67th Street - Gaston, or the V and W line, or the L line before it went computerized in NYC?


Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[1995hoo]

Beach 67th Street - Gaston, or the V and W line, or the L line before it went computerized in NYC?


Pepperidge Farm remembers.

You mean the LL. (And the RR, GG, CC....)

[Max Rockatansky]

NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.

Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves.  Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death.  Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.

It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.

But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin.  Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were.  Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.

...the ever-increasing price of "going racing" and the expectations of over-professionalism expected by the teams has not helped one bit; to be fair, that's always occurred until a series just goes bust from bad management, it merges with something else, or teams flock to another series.

In a rather slow-growth economy, new teams aren't taking the leap from one tier to another as easily as before, so when a team folds up or closes shop because the bills can't get paid, there's nothing much to replace it with.

Probably the best hope for NASCAR's top tier is a new stock-car or production-based series to challenge it...which might ruin it or improve it. Since it sees itself as top dog in North American motor sports for past 20 years, it's probably just going to stay the course until it decides to return to its roots. Loads of sponsors will have to pull out before that ever happens, there's too many vested interests at stake.

Yeah despite everything the biggest thing NASCAR has going for it over the other series is parity and closer racing, a lot of that has to do with specs.  I would like to see the series kind of return 80s/90s era specs were basically the automakers still had a large input into the performance of the cars, at least from the stand point of aerodynamics.  The problem with the IRL is that all the talent left for NASCAR and F1 after the split from CART, even the Indy 500 has seen a huge drop in stature.  F1 while an engineering marvel is probably one of the least competitive major racing series on a race by race basis.  Really racing in general is probably going to back slide kind of to where it was before the big networks which probably for the best.  People like me who enjoy racing will seek it out and more casual sports fans will stick to things like baseball, basketball or football.

Also...incidentally found myself asking my Uncle how he was liking his new Pontiac G8 when it's a Chevy SS....looks exactly the same except for the front nose.

[kphoger]

Friday will be my tenth anniversary, yet I still find myself thinking my wife's initials are CML. She's been CMH for a long time, now.

[Otto Yamamoto]

All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.

They were. By the British.

Older people around here still refer to Madison Boulevard in Madison, AL as "Highway 20".

XT1585

[Pete from Boston]

Bombay, rather than Mumbai.  I don't know when that switch was made.

1995, per Wikipedia.  The nativization of names for other Indian cities has been ongoing since 1947, although most of the really big ones seem to have flipped in the nineties and noughties, e.g. Calcutta/Kolkata (2001), Madras/Chennai (1996), Trivandrum/Thiruvananthapuram (1991).  More information here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_cities_in_India



I just don't think people's names bed in well with airport names unless it somehow sounds euphonic to use the city name followed by the last name of only one person as shorthand for the full airport name.  For example, "Washington Dulles" works, but "Wichita Eisenhower" has perhaps too many syllables.  "Atlanta Hartsfield" is still much more sensible than "Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson."  BWI has a variant of this problem:  marketing considerations do not allow it to be labelled exclusively as a Baltimore airport, so "Baltimore Marshall" (dropping Washington) doesn't work as a less cryptic alternative to the IATA code.

My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).

[Rothman]

(you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).

[mrsman]

Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge

What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel?  I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.

Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??

I spent part of my telecom career working for AT&T Long Lines (after the Bell System break-up, the name changed to AT&T Communications).  Long Lines' HQ was located at 32 Avenue of the Americas, but none of us ever called it that.  The building itself was always referred to inside the company simply as "Thirty-two Double-A," but we never called the street it was on anything except "Sixth Avenue."

The only time you see Ave of Americas being used is on official letterhead of some law firm or other over the top corporate entity that wants gravitas.

[vtk]

Friday will be my tenth anniversary, yet I still find myself thinking my wife's initials are CML. She's been CMH for a long time, now.

Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus Municipal Hangar (nobody calls it that anymore except by initials, so it kinda fits the topic?)

Also, I have a cousin whose initials are CML; he lives in BOS.

[formulanone]

My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).

Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.

It's not like they tried to force in Revere-Stanley-Adams Field at Boston Metropolitan Area International Jumbo-Jetport, W.B. Mason Terminal to the conversation just to sound extra savvy.

[PHLBOS]

My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).

Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.

Hanscom Field (BED) hasn't had scheduled commercial service for almost a decade; it's pretty much now a general aviation airport.  Even when it did; the airline service was very limited.

On the subject of airports and/or military bases: I'm sure some still refer to the Horsham Air Guard Station as Willow Grove (Naval Air Station);...or, in light of recent BGS' along I-295 in NJ, I wasn't even aware that Fort Dix and McGuire A.F.B. merged to become Joint Base MDL.

[cl94]

My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).

Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.

Hanscom Field (BED) hasn't had scheduled commercial service for almost a decade; it's pretty much now a general aviation airport.  Even when it did; the airline service was very limited.

On the subject of airports and/or military bases: I'm sure some still refer to the Horsham Air Guard Station as Willow Grove (Naval Air Station);...or, in light of recent BGS' along I-295 in NJ, I wasn't even aware that Fort Dix and McGuire A.F.B. merged to become Joint Base MDL.

Of course, Manchester is officially "Manchester-Boston", even though it's an hour away from Boston. Some idiot might assume that.

[Pete from Boston]

I grappled for a minute today to not say "McNeil Lehrer" when talking about the news on PBS.