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State highwys that end at a state line with no counterpart in the ajacent state

Started by dvferyance, May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM

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froggie

Quote from: MikeTheActuaryIs IA 165 still commissioned?   If so....

According to our resident Iowa Highways expert, yes it is.

Quote from: paulthemapguyAlso- has anyone brought up MN-117 yet?

I did on the first page.


kphoger

It's inevitable that I have made one or more mistakes here, but I found 63 state highways in Missouri that end at a state line with no state highway on the other side.  One of them does so at both endpoints.  Of the 63, nine of them are primary (numbered) highways and the others are secondary/supplemental (lettered) highways.

Here we go, counterclockwise starting at the NW corner of the state:

[ KANSAS]
MO-150 (ends at 135th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at 247th Street)
MO-18 (ends at 359th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-J (ends at 2200th Road)
SSR-D (ends at Valley Road)
SSR-M (ends at Quivera Road)
SSR-FF (ends at 267th Terrace)
SSR-K (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-P (ends at 14th Street)
SSR-YY (ends at Old Highway 96)
SSR-P (ends at Turkey Creek Road)
MO-76 (ends at E0240 Road)
SSR-J (ends at E0330 Road)
[ARKANSAS]
SSR-MM (ends at Hesston Road)
SSR-DD (ends at Old Wire Road)
SSR-JJ (ends at Old Springfield Road)
SSR-W (ends at CR-151)
SSR-JJ (ends at CR-31)
SSR-H (ends at CR-197)
SSR-W (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-FF (ends at State Line Road)
[TENNESSEE]
MO-162 (Tiptonville Ferry no longer operational)
[IOWA]
SSR-V (ends at CR-J56)
SSR-P (ends at 300th Road)
SSR-Z (ends at 305th Street)
MO-15 (ends at CR-V56)
SSR-DD (ends at Valley Avenue)
SSR-B (ends at Robin Boulevard)
SSR-N (ends at Nuthatch Avenue)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-V20)
SSR-M (ends at Dewberry Avenue)
SSR-N (ends at 294th Avenue)
MO-149 (ends at CR-T30)
MO-129 (ends at CR-T20)
SSR-CC (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-UU (ends at 141st Avenue)
SSR-U (ends at CR-S60)
SSR-T (ends at CR-S50)
MO-139 (ends at CR-S40)
SSR-E (ends at CR-S34)
SSR-W (ends at CR-S16)
SSR-K (ends at 290th Avenue)
MO-3  (ends at Main Street)
SSR-O (ends at CR-R32)
SSR-T (ends at E100th Street)
SSR-KK (ends at CR-R14)
SSR-U (ends at CR-P64)
SSR-O (ends at CR-P46)
SSR-T (ends at CR-P38)
SSR-F (ends at CR-P14)
SSR-D (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-H (ends at CR-N56)
SSR-E (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-FF (ends at Colt Avenue)
SSR-KK (ends at Oak Avenue)
SSR-C (ends at 2nd Street)
SSR-O (ends at D Avenue)
SSR-F (ends at CR-M18)
SSR-T (ends at CR-L72)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-L68)
SSR-V (ends at Main Street on one end and CR-J64 on the other)

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hbelkins

I don't think WV 45 should count, because it becomes a Virginia state route.
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dvferyance

Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
It's inevitable that I have made one or more mistakes here, but I found 62 state highways in Missouri that end at a state line with no state highway on the other side.  One of them does so at both endpoints.  Of the 62, nine of them are primary (numbered) highways and the others are secondary/supplemental (lettered) highways.

Here we go, counterclockwise starting at the NW corner of the state:

MO-150 (ends at 135th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at 247th Street)
MO-18 (ends at 359th Street)
SSR-Y (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-J (ends at 2200th Road)
SSR-D (ends at Valley Road)
SSR-M (ends at Quivera Road)
SSR-FF (ends at 267th Terrace)
SSR-K (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-P (ends at 14th Street)
SSR-YY (ends at Old Highway 96)
SSR-P (ends at Turkey Creek Road)
MO-76 (ends at E0240 Road)
SSR-J (ends at E0330 Road)
SSR-MM (ends at Hesston Road)
SSR-DD (ends at Old Wire Road)
SSR-JJ (ends at Old Springfield Road)
SSR-W (ends at CR-151)
SSR-JJ (ends at CR-31)
SSR-H (ends at CR-197)
SSR-FF (ends at State Line Road)
MO-162 (Tiptonville Ferry no longer operational)
SSR-V (ends at CR-J56)
SSR-P (ends at 300th Road)
SSR-Z (ends at 305th Street)
MO-15 (ends at CR-V56)
SSR-DD (ends at Valley Avenue)
SSR-B (ends at Robin Boulevard)
SSR-N (ends at Nuthatch Avenue)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-V20)
SSR-M (ends at Dewberry Avenue)
SSR-N (ends at 294th Avenue)
MO-149 (ends at CR-T30)
MO-129 (ends at CR-T20)
SSR-CC (ends at State Line Road)
SSR-UU (ends at 141st Avenue)
SSR-U (ends at CR-S60)
SSR-T (ends at CR-S50)
MO-139 (ends at CR-S40)
SSR-E (ends at CR-S34)
SSR-W (ends at CR-S16)
SSR-K (ends at 290th Avenue)
MO-3  (ends at Main Street)
SSR-O (ends at CR-R32)
SSR-T (ends at E100th Street)
SSR-KK (ends at CR-R14)
SSR-U (ends at CR-P64)
SSR-O (ends at CR-P46)
SSR-T (ends at CR-P38)
SSR-F (ends at CR-P14)
SSR-D (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-H (ends at CR-N56)
SSR-E (ends at Missouri—Taylor Street)
SSR-FF (ends at Colt Avenue)
SSR-KK (ends at Oak Avenue)
SSR-C (ends at 2nd Street)
SSR-O (ends at D Avenue)
SSR-F (ends at CR-M18)
SSR-T (ends at CR-L72)
SSR-CC (ends at CR-L68)
SSR-V (ends at Main Street on one end and CR-J64 on the other)
Missouri's lettered highways don't count this discussion is only for primary state highways.

kphoger

Quote from: dvferyance on May 31, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
Missouri's lettered highways don't count this discussion is only for primary state highways.

I was unaware the discussion only related to primary state highways, as it was not stated in the OP...

Quote from: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
I was at the South Bend road meet over the weekend and I noticed M-217 ends at the Indiana state line with no state highway continuing on. Same goes for IN-19 vice versa with no Michigan counterpart. How common is this? I always believe that when a state highways enters another state it should continue as a state highway in that neighboring state. I do know IL-73 ends at the Wisconsin state line then becomes Green county M. I always thought Green county M from the state line to WI-11 in Browntown should have been transferred to WisDOT when the nearby WI-176 was decommissioned.

... and because secondary state highways for at least Tennessee and Kentucky have already been mentioned in the thread.

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jmd41280

More examples along the PA/MD border...

MD 546 becomes Greenville Rd. as it crosses into Somerset County, PA

PA 326 becomes Gap Rd. NE as it crosses into Allegany County, MD

PA 26 becomes N. Orleans Rd. as it crosses into Allegany County, MD

PA 655 becomes N. Pennsylvania Ave. as it crosses into Hancock, MD

PA 928 becomes Tollgate Ridge Rd. as it crosses into Washington County, MD
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sbeaver44

Quote from: jmd41280 on May 31, 2016, 09:47:53 PM
More examples along the PA/MD border...

MD 546 becomes Greenville Rd. as it crosses into Somerset County, PA

PA 326 becomes Gap Rd. NE as it crosses into Allegany County, MD

PA 26 becomes N. Orleans Rd. as it crosses into Allegany County, MD

PA 655 becomes N. Pennsylvania Ave. as it crosses into Hancock, MD

PA 928 becomes Tollgate Ridge Rd. as it crosses into Washington County, MD
Also, PA 456 becomes Hollow Road at the MD Line.  MD 615 becomes Heavenly Acres Rd at the PA Line.  What's odd is Hollow Rd goes on to end at MD 615, and Heavenly Acres goes on to end at PA 928, so the three are all connected by roads with no number that become numbered roads at the border.

Also adding to PA/MD ones I think not yet mentioned
-MD 63 becomes Williamsport Pike near Greencastle
-MD 418 becomes Midvale Rd into Rouzerville
-Business US 15 becomes Old Gettysburg Rd near Emmitsburg
-MD 24 becomes Rocks Rd into Fawn Grove
-MD 623 becomes Flintville Rd near Delta

mgk920

To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:

- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505

Mike

roadfro

Nevada examples previously mentioned:
  • Nipton Road (Nevada SR 164) crosses into California with no number.
  • Denio Road (Nevada SR 292) crosses into Oregon as a county route–although maps mark it as Oregon Route 205.
  • California SR 299 becomes a dirt road upon entering Nevada. The dirt road was designated State Route 8A prior to the 1976 renumbering.
    Another:
  • Scotty's Castle Road (Nevada SR 267) crosses into California with no number. The California state line is also the Death Valley National Park boundary, so the road is likely maintained by the park service.
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dvferyance

Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:

- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505

Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.

mgk920

Quote from: dvferyance on June 07, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:

- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505

Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.

Likely due to a serious lack of traffic.  I drove that road about 20 or so years ago and it was sparse, indeed.  Aside from the abysmal condition of IL 73 (some of the worst concrete that I had ever driven before or since, I-270 in CO notwithstanding at the time) was making me wonder whether or not IDOT was planning to turn it over to Stephenson County.

Mike

keithvh

Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on May 26, 2016, 06:23:10 AM

LATE EDITI should have thought about this one since I've driven it: CO-116 crosses into Kansas where it is a county road - and a pretty good one - to Johnson City. This is the original route of U.S. 160, until it was rerouted to the south.



OK, that explains it.  I was on that stretch of road in summer 2014, I was wondering why it was actually good road in KS (it was pretty crummy road on the CO side).

Baca County, Colorado is one heck of an isolated place.  Wow.

On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above?  The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS.  My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS.  The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.

sbeaver44


kphoger

Quote from: keithvh on June 08, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above?  The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS.  My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS.  The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.

Not quite sure.  The Stanton County website and the hospital website both list their addresses as "Johnson, KS".  The official KDOT map is titled "Johnson City".

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

dvferyance

Quote from: mgk920 on June 08, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 07, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 04, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, involving Wisconsin:

- IL 73 becomes Green County (WI) 'M'
- M-64 becomes Vilas County (WI) 'B'
- M-95 becomes, well, I don't really know, nothing is marked in the block or so between the state line (a bridge over the Menominee River) and Florence County (WI) 'N'.
- WI 17 becomes Smokey Lake Rd (a local township road) in Iron County, MI
- WI 122 becomes Gogebic County (MI) 505

Mike
I mentioned IL-73 my point was why didn't wisdot take over Green County M from the state line to Browntown when the nearby WI-176 was turned over to Lafayette County? It still would have been a reduction of about 7 miles anyways. Would have made perfect sense would have corrected what should have been done back in the 1940's.

Likely due to a serious lack of traffic.  I drove that road about 20 or so years ago and it was sparse, indeed.  Aside from the abysmal condition of IL 73 (some of the worst concrete that I had ever driven before or since, I-270 in CO notwithstanding at the time) was making me wonder whether or not IDOT was planning to turn it over to Stephenson County.

Mike
IL-73 has been around as long as 1924. As long as it's there it should have a Wisconsin counterpart regardless of traffic counts. Like I said before is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.

kphoger

Quote from: dvferyance on June 09, 2016, 12:42:27 PM
is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.

If the counties don't have sufficient funds to adequately maintain the road, then I'd say there is a reason for the state DOT to maintain it.  If the state is strapped for cash, then I understand relinquishing minor routes.

IA-91 connects to MN-91, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2003.  M-205 connects to IN-19, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2002.  Are you suggesting they should return to being state highways or remain county roads?

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hotdogPi

It seems really strange that Michigan decommissioned their section of US IN/MI/OH 120. Now IN and OH have their own separate sections, while Michigan has an unnumbered road that connects to 120 at both state lines.
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dvferyance

Quote from: kphoger on June 09, 2016, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 09, 2016, 12:42:27 PM
is there really a reason why these dot's should be so picky about maintaining a couple of extra miles? IA-91 and M-205 are good examples of this. It's only 5 miles between the state line and WI-11 that's not very much.

If the counties don't have sufficient funds to adequately maintain the road, then I'd say there is a reason for the state DOT to maintain it.  If the state is strapped for cash, then I understand relinquishing minor routes.

IA-91 connects to MN-91, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2003.  M-205 connects to IN-19, but hasn't been state-maintained since 2002.  Are you suggesting they should return to being state highways or remain county roads?
I just think it is so ilogical to have a state highway become a county highway at a state line. Both are super short so what was the big deal of turning them over in the first place?

roadman65

It is more illogical to have NJ 23, a state highway in NJ connect to US 6, another state highway in NY through an interchange with a state maintained interstate to be taken care of by the county.
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The High Plains Traveler

Quote from: kphoger on June 09, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: keithvh on June 08, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
On a side note --- what is the real actual name of the KS town you mention above?  The Colorado road signs have it as Johnson, KS.  My Rand McNally road atlas has it as Johnson, KS.  The Kansas road signs (and you) have it as Johnson City, KS.
Not quite sure.  The Stanton County website and the hospital website both list their addresses as "Johnson, KS".  The official KDOT map is titled "Johnson City".
I always was just passing through on my way from Pueblo to Liberal, so my opinion isn't authoritative. I always thought of it as Johnson City. The big phallic water tower with "Johnson" and the high school mascot (Trojans) always amused me. Because that's where my mind goes.
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bzakharin

Quote from: roadman65 on June 10, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
It is more illogical to have NJ 23, a state highway in NJ connect to US 6, another state highway in NY through an interchange with a state maintained interstate to be taken care of by the county.
Speaking of NJ 23, what does this sign say?
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3518989,-74.6860195,3a,15y,245.66h,87.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYz27JJqs-bPjwXhSnwh9rA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I can make out "WELCOME", "MONTAGUE", and "OF NEW JERSEY". Oddly, the NJ welcome signs here are oddly spaced. I believe the actual state line is where "Welcome to Orange County" appears going Northbound. There is a "Township of Montague" sign just to the south followed immediately by the one above. Then after some 0.3 miles, a "Welcome to New Jersey" followed by "Sussex County".

noelbotevera

There's a couple more I can think of (and using an outdated PA road atlas to help me):

PA/NJ: NJ's section of I-676 ends midspan on the Ben Franklin Bridge, and continues as US 30. For signing purposes it's signed as if it is I-676/US 30.

PA/MD?: PA 163 ends at the MD State Line (or is there a gap?) and US 11.

PA/NY?: PA 371 looks like it ends at the NY State Line without a continuation to NY 97. My road atlas doesn't have a shield on the short section of road between the state line and NY 97.

OH/PA: OH 609 turns into nothing and ends at the PA State Line. I'm not sure if there's an access road from the of OH 609 to the Shenango Lake Rec Area, as my atlas doesn't list it.

PA/WV: PA 218 looks like it ends at the WV state line and a road without a number connects it to WV 7.

PA/MD: PA 416 becomes Cearfoss Road upon entering Maryland.

PA/MD: MD 418 turns into Midvale Road upon entering PA.

PA/MD: PA 134 turns into Harney Rd. upon entering MD.

PA/MD: MD 623 turns into Flintville Rd. upon entering MD.

PA/MD: MD 24 turns into SR 2055 upon entering PA.
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hbelkins

Quote from: noelbotevera on June 19, 2016, 06:36:41 PM
PA/WV: PA 218 looks like it ends at the WV state line and a road without a number connects it to WV 7.

Becomes WV 218.

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