IN SR 25 Upgrade Report

[agentsteel53]

In my town of South Bend we have BR US 31 and BR US 20, signed as such, although they are both city-maintained.

are there any equivalent US-20 shields with the block font?

[silverback1065]

BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State.  There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24.  The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up. 

[silverback1065]

I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?

I drove on it about a month ago.  I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage.  If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway.  I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it.  Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime.  I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.

BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi.  I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.

I agree, the signage along new 25 is terrible in some places, my biggest complaint is the size of some of the signs seemed too small. 

[tdindy88]

BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi.  I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.

The signage is in all capital letters, which is something that INDOT has been going away from. There are is also a large number of mileage signs for a highway that's only less than 15 miles long, covering the distances to every small (and I do mean small) town along the route.

[silverback1065]

When will the final piece be finished?

[agentsteel53]

BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash.

this may have been* the last state-named cutout in Indiana.  I believe it was in Logansport.



I tried looking for it in 2009 and it was gone.

* the only competition I know of is a 27/33 pair somewhere that was photographed in 2000.

[silverback1065]

BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash.

this may have been* the last state-named cutout in Indiana.  I believe it was in Logansport.



I tried looking for it in 2009 and it was gone.

* the only competition I know of is a 27/33 pair somewhere that was photographed in 2000.

Wow that's an old sign!  I wonder if anymore of those exist out in the wild today still. 

[agentsteel53]

Wow that's an old sign!  I wonder if anymore of those exist out in the wild today still.

not in Indiana, but there are a handful in Michigan.  they're getting quite rare indeed. 

[theline]

In my town of South Bend we have BR US 31 and BR US 20, signed as such, although they are both city-maintained.

are there any equivalent US-20 shields with the block font?

None that I've noticed. The difference is probably due to the dates on which the routes became business routes. US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.

[PurdueBill]

I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?

I drove on it about a month ago.  I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage.  If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway.  I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it.  Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime.  I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.

BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi.  I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.

I too was on it a few weeks ago in both directions; I found it interesting that southbound, there was nothing at the traffic light at the center of Delphi saying to turn left on 18/39/421 and go to the new 25; instead signage is still as it always was and leads you across the railroad, past McDonald's, and just into Tippecanoe County before tying into the new road.  Northbound, signage carries you all the way to the temporary end of the new road.  It seems like an instance of two roads being the same route number, or maybe one is officially NB and the other SB?  Who knows!

The distance signage on the Lafayette-Delphi stretch is indeed fugly.  It looks like it is some compressed variant, which is unusually low-quality for INDOT.  The BGSs near the roundabout are also off-model in strange ways, so maybe it was just a bad contractor.

[hbelkins]

BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State.  There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24.  The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up.

Business US 50 in Bedford.

[silverback1065]

Any news on the Delphi to Logansport section?

[thefro]

BUS 31/20 are the two best signed Business routes in the State.  There aren't many business routes in the state, I believe the only ones that exist are BUS 31, 20, 13, and 24.  The other BUS 31 is in Peru I believe, and BUS 24 is horribly signed in the cities it used to go through in Logansport, Peru, and Wabash. I wish Indy would put Business routes up.

Business US 50 in Bedford.

Walnut Street in Bloomington is also labeled as "Business SR 37" here and there (it's the old SR 37 route before the bypass was built).

[agentsteel53]

Walnut Street in Bloomington is also labeled as "Business SR 37" here and there (it's the old SR 37 route before the bypass was built).

doesn't that area have some funky IN-37 shields, with a state outline and an extremely tiny number?

[tdindy88]

I understand this may be self-promotion (for me, the one who took the pictures,) but the front page of AARoads page for SR 37 shows both signs in their glory. Since they are off of INDOT's jurisdiction they can hopefully remain.

https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=s0037in

I also wanted to add that I've seen Business US 41 shields in Vincennes too, last year in fact to the south of the 6th Street interchange there.

[mobilene]

I also wanted to add that I've seen Business US 41 shields in Vincennes too, last year in fact to the south of the 6th Street interchange there.

From Vincennes:


Business US 41 shield by mobilene, on Flickr


Business US 50 shield by mobilene, on Flickr

[mobilene]

US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.

From South Bend:


West Business US 20 by mobilene, on Flickr

[agentsteel53]

I like how black square shields have a tendency to fade to all white in Indiana.



is the US-6 business route still around in Gary?  I took that photo in 2006.

[silverback1065]

I like how black square shields have a tendency to fade to all white in Indiana.



is the US-6 business route still around in Gary?  I took that photo in 2006.

I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit.  And I believe those signs are still there too.  All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair. 

[agentsteel53]

I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit.  And I believe those signs are still there too.  All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair.

I tried to find the shield in 2010 but had forgotten which road was old US-6 through Gary... I did not find it; but likely I did not look correctly.

[theline]

US 31 became a BR in the early 80s if memory serves, and US 20 was turned over in the 90s. The signs on BR 20 look much more modern. I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I'm wrong.

From South Bend:


West Business US 20 by mobilene, on Flickr

Thanks for the pic! 

[silverback1065]

I believe it is, I know it's still signed on the i-65 exit.  And I believe those signs are still there too.  All the state roads up there seem to be in disrepair.

I tried to find the shield in 2010 but had forgotten which road was old US-6 through Gary... I did not find it; but likely I did not look correctly.

Old US 6 is Ridge Road/37TH AVE in that area.  I can't say if those particular signs are still there, but if you use street view at the intersection of SR 53 (Broadway) and Ridge RD, you will see the signage (I know it's old Street View).  Also on either side of the exit with 65, there are Business US 6 signs, also at the end of SR 55. 

[agentsteel53]

my photo is westbound... that appears to be gone.  eastbound looks to be still there.

[tvketchum]

I recently saw on Google Maps that the small portion of old SR 25 heading into Delphi is now Business SR 25, does anyone know if this is true, or just another error by Google?

I drove on it about a month ago.  I don't remember seeing any "Business" signage.  If it was signed as such, that would mean that it's still an Indiana state highway.  I've been under the impression the State handed it over to Carroll County for maintenance, so there shouldn't be any state highway number signage on it.  Probably just another Google screw-up, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was thinking about getting up that way next week sometime.  I'll try to drive the old section to see what signs, if any, they have there.

BTW, there is a preponderance of really funky, unusual, out-of-the-ordinary, and just plain old fugly signage on the new section between Lafayette and Delphi.  I know some of this has been mentioned before - and I'm sorry I don't have any pictures to post - but I think the signs are almost bad enough (words like "sloppy", "juvenile", and "whatever" come to mind) that INDOT should think about replacing them.

I too was on it a few weeks ago in both directions; I found it interesting that southbound, there was nothing at the traffic light at the center of Delphi saying to turn left on 18/39/421 and go to the new 25; instead signage is still as it always was and leads you across the railroad, past McDonald's, and just into Tippecanoe County before tying into the new road.  Northbound, signage carries you all the way to the temporary end of the new road.  It seems like an instance of two roads being the same route number, or maybe one is officially NB and the other SB?  Who knows!

The distance signage on the Lafayette-Delphi stretch is indeed fugly.  It looks like it is some compressed variant, which is unusually low-quality for INDOT.  The BGSs near the roundabout are also off-model in strange ways, so maybe it was just a bad contractor.

I believe the reason for keeping SR 25 heading west on the old alignment is to keep trucks from overwhelming the school zone south of town, just before the new SR 25. Also, this little stretch, from SR 25 old alignment to US 421 was completed ahead of schedule.

[PurdueBill]

Indeed the signage northbound on the new road tells trucks to turn on to the old road just before the county line.  Southbound, no one (truck or otherwise) is made aware of the new road until they hit it south of Delphi.  That is the odd thing to me--if the old route through Delphi is posted as 25 southbound without any direction to thru traffic to the new route, but at the entrance to the new road from 421 it also is marked as 25, does that mean that there are right now two "parallel" IN 25s? Hmm.