When the Road You Turn/Merge on Is NOT the Road Mentioned in the Exit Sign

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TheStranger

One newer example that used to actually NOT be one, and entirely created by signage:

The exit from US 101/Bayshore Freeway north to Bayshore Boulevard, Exit 429C, had been signed as "Bayshore Boulevard" for decades, but when exit numbers came along, was given the name "Paul Avenue" to match the southbound exit of that number.

In fact, neither Paul Avenue ramp directly connects with the street of that name.  Southbound requires backtracking 4 blocks up San Bruno Avenue, while northbound requires a quarter mile drive up Bayshore to reach Paul.
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hbelkins

Quote from: SP Cook on July 28, 2016, 11:49:06 AM

Similarly, Exit 6 is signed as 17th Street West. It actually is the ramp for a bridge to Ohio.  To reach 17th Street W, one would have to exit, then exit the ramp to the bridge, which would put you on Madison Avenue and then make a left turn across traffic and go a block to reach 17th.  The bridge has been there since 1970 but the old signage for the previous direct connection to 17th is still used.

Where is it signed for 17th Street West? On I-64, it's signed for US 52 -- West Huntington/Ironton OH. It used to be signed for Chesapeake OH, but the button copy for that was removed and replaced with Ironton. Then the whole sign was replaced with a Clearview sign a couple of years ago.
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mrsman

The exit from I-70 for Meridian Street in Indianapolis does not put you onto Meridian Street directly.  This has a lot to do with the coplicated grid in downtown Indianapolis.  If you look at a map, you will see that both Meridian Street and Madison Avenue are "broken" - meaning that diriving on the southern portion of Meridian does not lead you directly to the northern portion of Meridian. Similar for Madison.

From the exit, you are put on the northern portion of Madison for a few blocks and then Madison flows into the northern portion of Meridian as you head into Downtown.  But there are no clear signs to lead to the southern portion of Meridian, which is also an important street.

I recommend some street name changes to alleviate this confusion.  Madison Ave between South Street and McCarty should be renamed to something different.  It is a gateway into Downtown, so perhaps for lack of anything better "Downtown Gateway".   Meridian Street between Russel and Henry is a really small street and should also be renamed. And there should be clear signage directing traffic from Southern Meridian to northern Meridian by way of McCarty and "Downtown Gateway."

bzakharin

I don't know if this is still there since they are replacing signs on the GSP as construction progresses, but this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3887819,-74.5688498,3a,75y,14.67h,67.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZpR-kZxnGUfZWtdksn5hVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
actually puts you on Fire Road and you need to go left. The only reference to this after the exit is this sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3914337,-74.5631256,3a,75y,106.85h,67.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw4oxZ_6CZcFHTGgLp4jqyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
which means little if you're not going to Atlantic City (not to mention, the much batter way to Atlantic City is the ACE 2 miles ahead. Is the GSP encouraging shunpiking? Ar the two toll authorities feuding with each other or what?)

The same thing applies in the other direction:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4147303,-74.553178,3a,75y,190.93h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdAVB8XkESc46MFKMTuZoww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
and the corresponding sign at the end of the exit ramp:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4054396,-74.5578411,3a,30y,214.5h,86.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saW5wnwE_5syyDMfqUERXXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
This is even more stark because
1. Two consecutive exits are signed for "Atlantic City" on the same gantry
2. The latter sign has more info, but you can't really see it unless you're turning left here
3. It's not clear how you get to Atlantic City if you follow the arrow on the latter sign. Are you meant to take Fire Road? Route 9?

cappicard

The southbound I-435 exit to 95th St actually dumps you onto Renner Blvd in Lenexa. You have to go through one roundabout before reaching 95th St/Prairie Star Pkwy itself.

Coincidentally, even though Prairie Star Pkwy is also accessible from southbound Exit 2 via Renner Blvd, it's not mentioned anywhere on signs along 435.

95th St ends at Renner Blvd, and becomes Prairie Star Pkwy when going west.


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PHLBOS

Just outside of Chester, PA: ramps that are signed for Highland Ave. off both I-95 northbound and US 322 eastbound places one on Township Line Road.

Further south in Boothwyn, along I-95 southbound; the exit ramp for Chichester Ave. places one on Pleasant Ave.

In Chester itself, the I-95 northbound ramp for Kerlin St. places one on W. 12th St.

The ramp for Exit 6 off I-95 northbound places one on E. 12th St. and the southbound ramp for Exit 6 places one on Chestnut St.
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noelbotevera

Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 01:24:33 PM
Just outside of Chester, PA: ramps that are signed for Highland Ave. off both I-95 northbound and US 322 eastbound places one on Township Line Road.

Further south in Boothwyn, along I-95 southbound; the exit ramp for Chichester Ave. places one on Pleasant Ave.

In Chester itself, the I-95 northbound ramp for Kerlin St. places one on W. 12th St.

The ramp for Exit 6 off I-95 northbound places one on E. 12th St. and the southbound ramp for Exit 6 places one on Chestnut St.
Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.)  The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.

Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St.
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noelbotevera

Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.)  The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.

Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St.
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.

Yeah, should've checked the area first.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.)  The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.

Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St.
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.
You might want to reread my earlier post (reposted above with bold emphasis added); I made no mention of the northbound Exit 23 BGS' changing.  The Delaware Ave. text replaced the Lehigh Ave. text only on the southbound Exit 23 BGS'.

GSV Exit 23 BGS along I-95 southbound circa Nov. 2015

Same BGS circa Aug. 2007 showing the original Lehigh Ave. text

The change to Delaware Ave. occurred sometime between 2010 and 2011.
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noelbotevera

Quote from: PHLBOS on August 02, 2016, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.)  The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.

Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St.
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.
You might want to reread my earlier post (reposted above with bold emphasis added); I made no mention of the northbound Exit 23 BGS' changing.  The Delaware Ave. text replaced the Lehigh Ave. text only on the southbound Exit 23 BGS'.

GSV Exit 23 BGS along I-95 southbound circa Nov. 2015

Same BGS circa Aug. 2007 showing the original Lehigh Ave. text

The change to Delaware Ave. occurred sometime between 2010 and 2011.
My mistake; I thought that the bold text meant you referred to I-95 NB.

Here's another example in the Philadelphia area - you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd. However, Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn. Washington Avenue is a few blocks down Christopher Columbus Boulevard by turning right, so you are led the right way.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 02, 2016, 01:58:57 PMHere's another example in the Philadelphia area - you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd. However, Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn. Washington Avenue is a few blocks down Christopher Columbus Boulevard by turning right, so you are led the right way.
I think you're missing the whole point/premise of this thread.  The OP is asking for roads that one turns on/merges with that are not listed/called out on any exit sign; be it the primary or supplemental signage.  Your fore-mentioned I-95/Columbus Blvd./Washington Ave. example doesn't meet that criteria because the exit ramps do indeed end on Columbus Blvd.
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epzik8

One of the ramps from I-83 to Timonium Road in Lutherville-Timonium, Maryland (a Baltimore suburb) empties out onto a road called Deereco Road, which then goes out to a light at Timonium Road. It's a couple of blocks from the Maryland State Fair. Also, I believe the ramp to I-83 north is only accessible by turning from Timonium onto Deereco and then turning left onto the ramp from Deereco.

Exit 10 off I-83 in Pennsylvania, just outside of the borough of Loganville, is marked "TO PA-214"; indeed, the interchange is actually situated along a road called North Street, but that road shortly segues into PA-214. PA-214 crosses over I-83 immediately to the north of the Exit 10 interchange.

Same with Exit 132 off I-95 in North Carolina, which is "TO NC-58"; I-95 crosses over NC-58 a couple miles away from the interchange.
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Quote from: TheStranger on July 28, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
One newer example that used to actually NOT be one, and entirely created by signage:

The exit from US 101/Bayshore Freeway north to Bayshore Boulevard, Exit 429C, had been signed as "Bayshore Boulevard" for decades, but when exit numbers came along, was given the name "Paul Avenue" to match the southbound exit of that number.

In fact, neither Paul Avenue ramp directly connects with the street of that name.  Southbound requires backtracking 4 blocks up San Bruno Avenue, while northbound requires a quarter mile drive up Bayshore to reach Paul.

I think Caltrans did it to avoid confusion with the other Bayshore Blvd exit in Brisbane, about three miles south (it was previously signed as "Brisbane/Cow Palace."

MASTERNC

In Delaware, the SB ramp on I-95 to DE 52 South (Delaware Ave) in Wilmington dumps traffic onto 11th Street (after they cross S Adams Street).  You have to go one block on 11th Street to reach Delaware Ave and DE 52 (at that intersection, 11th Street takes on DE 52 and Delaware Ave branches off).

Going northbound, the ramp exits onto S Adams Ave, which then ends at Delaware Ave a few blocks down.

https://goo.gl/maps/fRJsjNT7G5Q2

cappicard

Prior to the 95th St interchange at US 69 in Overland Park being rebuilt in '08, the northbound ramp dumped you onto Switzer Road, and you had to turn left to reach 95th itself a block north.  Switzer wasn't mentioned until you reached the stop light.


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