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[NE2]

When I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway back in 93, I saw a line drawn across it where the NC/ VA Border was.  I have not been there since, but I see in the photo that it is gone.  No surprise as its been 20 years, and things change nowadays overnight!

I see a line in the photo...?

[Alps]

AB/BC 93 had no provincial entrance sign SB. Don't know about NB. Took me several minutes before I checked a map and saw I had to be deep into BC.

[agentsteel53]

MN 23 runs through a short portion of Wisconsin south of Duluth that is maintained by the Minnesota DOT and the state line crossing is not noted on any signs.

looks like there's an old alignment just to the south of the current road.  Wisconsin maintains the old road, but at the state line it becomes overgrown and you can just see two tracks continuing southwest into Minnesota.

[agentsteel53]

Not quite the same, but in Newport, WA/Oldtown, ID, one side of the road is SR-41 the other is SH-41.  So unless you know the difference you'd never know you'd crossed the state Line until you saw a reassurance marker.

I don't even want to know what the difference is between SH and SR.  is it like Oregon's highways and routes?  those make an ordinary clusterfuck look neatly planned out and organized.

[agentsteel53]

as far as I know, there are no US-52 reassurance markers in Kentucky.  there are, however, several trailblazers made to Kentucky specification (1961 spec shield, series B numbers).

I wonder if anyone ever made a KENTUCKY US 52 shield.

[Alps]

Not quite the same, but in Newport, WA/Oldtown, ID, one side of the road is SR-41 the other is SH-41.  So unless you know the difference you'd never know you'd crossed the state Line until you saw a reassurance marker.

I don't even want to know what the difference is between SH and SR.  is it like Oregon's highways and routes?  those make an ordinary clusterfuck look neatly planned out and organized.

Just two different states' terminologies. I've seen Ohio use "IR" for Interstates, whereas most sane states use "I-" and Texas uses "IH."

[formulanone]

Also, not far from there, NY Route 120A (King Street?) straddles the CT border a few times.

There's one really large concrete pillar marked "CONN" on one side, and "NY" on the other. And a NY welcome sign...





Although the north end dips back into NY then CT, back to NY, then CT, and finally back into NY for good...I think. It gets a bit ambiguous.

[elsmere241]

- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.

And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch.  They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.

[Rover_0]

What about WYO-70? It dips into Colorado for a mile or so, and signs only say "Entering/Leaving Wyoming."

[hbelkins]

as far as I know, there are no US-52 reassurance markers in Kentucky.

Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.

[cpzilliacus]

Blue Ridge Pkwy has identified the state line at least the last several years...




Natchez Trace marks Tenn/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO
also Miss/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p

Yellowstone marks Montana line on US 89 north - http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn
also on US 212 - http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6
West Yellowstone did not appear to be marked.

GMSV is terrible but I couldn't find anything on US 441 in GSMNP.


Mapmikey

When I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway back in 93, I saw a line drawn across it where the NC/ VA Border was.  I have not been there since, but I see in the photo that it is gone.  No surprise as its been 20 years, and things change nowadays overnight!

Last time I drove the entire thing (Rockfish Gap to U.S. 441) was in Spring of 1995. 

There might have been a (well-worn) line across the Parkway at the Va./N.C. border, but that was all.

[kphoger]

With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed.  Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it.

holy crap kansas city

[woodpusher]

GW Bridge into NYC as I recall.

Not quite but from KY into IN there is no "Welcome to Indiana" sign per se.  It's more like "The Indiana Highway Patrol reminds you:  No littering, no speeding, no drinking and driving, etc...."

I'm not in favor of any of those things, mind you, but it would be nice to get a "Welcome To Indiana" along with the house rules.

[elsmere241]

There was a time when the eastbound Holland Tunnel marked the state line in tiles ("New Jersey", a line, "New York").  I don't know if it still does.

I don't know if it's still there, but for the movie Fools Rush In something similar for the Arizona/Nevada line was painted on what was then US 93.

[Avalanchez71]

- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.

And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch.  They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.

That would be a roundabout way of a VA lawman enforcing VA in WV if they allowed the roadblock to back up into WV.  I can see that.  Was there an alternative to let you know that you had another option or route to travel or were you forced into the roadblock?

[elsmere241]

- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.

And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch.  They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.

That would be a roundabout way of a VA lawman enforcing VA in WV if they allowed the roadblock to back up into WV.  I can see that.  Was there an alternative to let you know that you had another option or route to travel or were you forced into the roadblock?

There wasn't any sign showing why traffic was backed up to the state line - I just saw the guy standing there with the radio.  The only way to avoid it at that point would have been to either turn around on US 340 and make a long detour, or abandon your car and walk across on the Appalachian Trail.

The traffic (probably coming from the racetrack/casino in Charles Town, WV, it was just after midnight Friday into Saturday) meant that they didn't check everyone's breath.  They didn't check mine - not that I've ever had a drink in my life - but just told me what was up and gave me a pamphlet.

[Dr Frankenstein]

There are several small roads where the Québec/Ontario border is not marked in either direction except maybe by the towns' or counties' own welcome signage. Not even monuments (except one I've found along Glen Robertson Road).

[mgk920]

Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee.  There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign.  OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.

Image of the 'old' situation (pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng

Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7

Mike

[Big John]

Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee.  There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign.  OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.

Image of the 'old' situation (pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng

Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7

Mike

I could tell where it was because of the 2-sided billboard directly on the state line.  It was for the Illinois Lottery facing traffic entering Illinois and for the Wisconsin Lottery facing traffic entering Wisconsin.

[mgk920]

Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee.  There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign.  OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.

Image of the 'old' situation (pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng

Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around):  http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7

Mike

I could tell where it was because of the 2-sided billboard directly on the state line.  It was for the Illinois Lottery facing traffic entering Illinois and for the Wisconsin Lottery facing traffic entering Wisconsin.

That lottery billboard is actually a couple of meters inside of Illinois.

Mike

[hbelkins]

There's no notation of the state line inside the Cumberland Gap Tunnel (US 25E) between Tennessee and Kentucky.

I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.

[ethanhopkin14]

There is of course, reversely, on Interstate 84 where it crosses close to the Pennsylvania/New Jersey/New York tri point, and if headed east, the first exit in New York is for New Jersey State Highway 23.

When I drove E45/E60 or M93, the border between Austria and Germany was not marked.  According to Google Maps it is, but I was watching out for it.  The only reason I knew I had crossed into Germany was a change in the pavement, the different signage and change of name to M93.

Texarkana, TX/AR has many streets that cross State Line Dr. that do not label the state line.  I guess it is implied since you crossed State Line Dr.  But a few are, so whats up?  I guess the same can be said with any bi-state town. 

Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word.  Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this.  There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route.  Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=31.799136,-106.535352&spn=0.0007,0.001525&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=31.799001,-106.535214&panoid=0Ce8Ib0uHPYaGwCNx9sWEg&cbp=12,356.6,,1,0.62

That is a new sign (Clearview!!!), but I remember an older, non standard one, but the shield was the same.

[kinupanda]

Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word.  Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this.  There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route.  Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.

The portion in Texas doesn't appear to be part of the state highway system (per se) per the Mapbook and the designation files (SH 273 is in the Panhandle). My guess is that it's simply signed as a convenience for those seeking NM 273, since technically it is a glorified exit ramp off US 85. Maybe TxDOT decided to denote it in a piss-poor manner as an homage to NMDOT's standard of awful signage.

Per GSV, though, there does appear to be a small "Welcome to Texas" sign though as the road curves, but nothing in the other direction except for the 0 mile marker and "City of Sunland Park" signs.

[ethanhopkin14]

Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word.  Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this.  There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route.  Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.

The portion in Texas doesn't appear to be part of the state highway system (per se) per the Mapbook and the designation files (SH 273 is in the Panhandle). My guess is that it's simply signed as a convenience for those seeking NM 273, since technically it is a glorified exit ramp off US 85. Maybe TxDOT decided to denote it in a piss-poor manner as an homage to NMDOT's standard of awful signage.

Per GSV, though, there does appear to be a small "Welcome to Texas" sign though as the road curves, but nothing in the other direction except for the 0 mile marker and "City of Sunland Park" signs.

Wow, that "Welcome to Texas" sign is somewhat new, because the last time I was there in 2010 it was not there. 

As for the piss-poor manner of signing a NM State Highway, I agree, but judging also how TxDOT doesn't like to sign anything that exists outside it's state boundary, it might just be disdain on their part that they actually have to acknowledge something in New Mexico.

[SP Cook]

Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.

Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard.  By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH.  The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money.  I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.