Coronavirus pandemic

[Tonytone]

Apparently, this shit is causing strokes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Since when is 30s and 40s young adults?

Also, the article doesn't really go into any detail if these individuals were healthy or had conditions that might increase the risk of a stroke.  It would be one thing if trained athletes were having stroked versus someone of the same age who smokes and is overweight.

I guess since 50 is the new 30. People are living till 80-100 so that means new age groups.


Also the article says they "had no prior health history" . Idk if that means they couldn't access files or that they were health adults. However Delaware has been letting it known if the person who passed had underlying health issues.


iPhone

I don't feel like a "young adult"  at close to forty.  I noticed that's a thing these days, people will tell me that I'm still "so young."   How is the case when statistically speaking my lifespan is about half over?  Nobody would have told my Dad and Grand Fathers that they were "young"  at 30 much less 40. 

Anyways, the "no health"  doesn't mean that all the individuals were in fact healthy.  Lots of people who lead unhealthy lives don't see the doctor regularly or if ever.  I've noticed that there has been an tendency to not really elaborate on really critical details in these articles that could be useful.  The way the article is written sounds as though it's meant to spook non-elderly readers into thinking that they could have sudden strokes.  That may be the case but it would be nice to have more substantive detail than just a couple paragraphs.

I do agree the article seemed like it was written to scare younger people. Its like they heard someone had a stroke from "corona"  & went crazy.

Why don't you feel young ? 40 is pretty young still maybe 30 years ago it was looked at differently.

But now 40 is like the new 20 you can start a whole new live just make sure you throw a workout routine in there just to be safe [emoji23][emoji23].

But for real though 40 really isnt that old anymore. Even though it seems like half your life I see 40 year old people looking good.

shit I saw a 70 year old lyft driver in Florida, dude looked no older then 40. It was 72.

I guess thats another way to stay young forever, live in the warm & sunshine.


iPhone

[Roadgeekteen]

Ending lockdowns now will create a spike in the number of cases, which you would have to have your head buried pretty deep in the sand not to understand.

Considering the number of cases still turning up even with the lockdowns being in place for a month now. . .

Nothing says you cannot stay in on your own.

Too true. If you live in an area where lockdowns are being relaxed, but you object to it and are still concerned that you might contract Coronavirus, just keep staying inside. When lockdowns are added, they're saying "everybody must stay inside". But when lockdowns are removed, they're NOT saying "everybody must go outside". I have a feeling that even in those areas, much of the lockdown will continue, but it'll be self-enforced.

You know who "must go outside?"  The health care workers, who have to increase/prolong their exposure risk because some idiot governor wants to be popular and free everybody.  The health care workers don't get to choose to stay home.

I'm not sure how this will sound, but is it not part of a health care workers job to be potentially exposed to some hazards?   I certainly don't think anyone who is of sound mind who enters a health care field goes in with the perception they won't be exposed to a disease at some point.  Granted most health care works probably DO have an expectation about being provided proper PPE.

I think everyone knows that they are risking their lives already, we are just trying to limit the risk so they can continue helping people recover from covid-19.

[bing101]

Reading this thread, comments on various news stories and social media posts, etc., convinces me even more that if the American Revolution happened today, most people would side with the British.

It is truly baffling to me that this whole pandemic has somehow "compromised freedom". In case you hadn't heard, this virus is not unique to the US. It's affecting the entire world. Being the ultimate "free country" doesn't mean we can magically handle a novel, unprecedented pandemic in a different, more "free" way than other countries. It was an absolute must to lock down when we did. It was almost too late as it was. Give me a break with all the contrarian stuff about freedoms and liberties being infringed.

From the perspective of an outsider, I always kind of laugh when I see American's touting their freedoms.

Americans aren't really any more or less "free" than any other citizen in any other democracy.

For example.  South Korea has both a constitution and a bill or rights, and their citizens are afforded the same general liberties as any American is.

I have to agree with you as a person born in the USA. except the problem here is that the people who do claim that American's touting their freedoms are pundits who go on cable news/ralk channels and
protestors who get their info from conspiracy theorists to protest at their state capital going after Governors to protest against "The Mask Orders" and "Shelter in Place" orders.

[Max Rockatansky]

Apparently, this shit is causing strokes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Since when is 30s and 40s young adults?

Also, the article doesn't really go into any detail if these individuals were healthy or had conditions that might increase the risk of a stroke.  It would be one thing if trained athletes were having stroked versus someone of the same age who smokes and is overweight.

I guess since 50 is the new 30. People are living till 80-100 so that means new age groups.


Also the article says they "had no prior health history" . Idk if that means they couldn't access files or that they were health adults. However Delaware has been letting it known if the person who passed had underlying health issues.


iPhone

I don't feel like a "young adult"  at close to forty.  I noticed that's a thing these days, people will tell me that I'm still "so young."   How is the case when statistically speaking my lifespan is about half over?  Nobody would have told my Dad and Grand Fathers that they were "young"  at 30 much less 40. 

Anyways, the "no health"  doesn't mean that all the individuals were in fact healthy.  Lots of people who lead unhealthy lives don't see the doctor regularly or if ever.  I've noticed that there has been an tendency to not really elaborate on really critical details in these articles that could be useful.  The way the article is written sounds as though it's meant to spook non-elderly readers into thinking that they could have sudden strokes.  That may be the case but it would be nice to have more substantive detail than just a couple paragraphs.

I do agree the article seemed like it was written to scare younger people. Its like they heard someone had a stroke from "corona"  & went crazy.

Why don't you feel young ? 40 is pretty young still maybe 30 years ago it was looked at differently.

But now 40 is like the new 20 you can start a whole new live just make sure you throw a workout routine in there just to be safe [emoji23][emoji23].

But for real though 40 really isnt that old anymore. Even though it seems like half your life I see 40 year old people looking good.

shit I saw a 70 year old lyft driver in Florida, dude looked no older then 40. It was 72.

I guess thats another way to stay young forever, live in the warm & sunshine.


iPhone

Regarding workouts a lot of what I do is littered through this thread given it has been something I've had to contend with regarding virus restrictions.  Suffice to say a good Half Marathon is the typical way I start my week on Monday.

I equate being "young"  with being also inexperienced.  I've been in my career field for 19 years at this point and I'm definitely more tenured than 95% of people I interact with.  To that end from a professional stand point I'm way past the point of starting over. 

But more so, while I don't feel old I don't feel the totality of my life experiences is something who is "young"  would typically have.  I always found it disrespectful when people my age would call people like me "young man, youngster, you're young"  because it was clearly meant to convey that somehow they knew something more than me because of age.  While I don't feel the need to make the same sentiments towards others in their late teens and early twenties there is a large degree of life experience an adult does accumulate. 

I don't know, my Dad looked like a 55 year old man at my age and both my Grand Parents looked 40 by the time they graduated high school.  Maybe people are aging better or at least taking care of themselves better health wise?  I know there is a slower progression into adulthood these days but it definitely wasn't something I experienced having gotten into career work and moving across the country at 18. 

[Tonytone]

Apparently, this shit is causing strokes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Since when is 30s and 40s young adults?

Also, the article doesn't really go into any detail if these individuals were healthy or had conditions that might increase the risk of a stroke.  It would be one thing if trained athletes were having stroked versus someone of the same age who smokes and is overweight.

I guess since 50 is the new 30. People are living till 80-100 so that means new age groups.


Also the article says they "had no prior health history" . Idk if that means they couldn't access files or that they were health adults. However Delaware has been letting it known if the person who passed had underlying health issues.


iPhone

I don't feel like a "young adult"  at close to forty.  I noticed that's a thing these days, people will tell me that I'm still "so young."   How is the case when statistically speaking my lifespan is about half over?  Nobody would have told my Dad and Grand Fathers that they were "young"  at 30 much less 40. 

Anyways, the "no health"  doesn't mean that all the individuals were in fact healthy.  Lots of people who lead unhealthy lives don't see the doctor regularly or if ever.  I've noticed that there has been an tendency to not really elaborate on really critical details in these articles that could be useful.  The way the article is written sounds as though it's meant to spook non-elderly readers into thinking that they could have sudden strokes.  That may be the case but it would be nice to have more substantive detail than just a couple paragraphs.

I do agree the article seemed like it was written to scare younger people. Its like they heard someone had a stroke from "corona"  & went crazy.

Why don't you feel young ? 40 is pretty young still maybe 30 years ago it was looked at differently.

But now 40 is like the new 20 you can start a whole new live just make sure you throw a workout routine in there just to be safe [emoji23][emoji23].

But for real though 40 really isnt that old anymore. Even though it seems like half your life I see 40 year old people looking good.

shit I saw a 70 year old lyft driver in Florida, dude looked no older then 40. It was 72.

I guess thats another way to stay young forever, live in the warm & sunshine.


iPhone

Regarding workouts a lot of what I do is littered through this thread given it has been something I've had to contend with regarding virus restrictions.  Suffice to say a good Half Marathon is the typical way I start my week on Monday.

I equate being "young"  with being also inexperienced.  I've been in my career field for 19 years at this point and I'm definitely more tenured than 95% of people I interact with.  To that end from a professional stand point I'm way past the point of starting over. 

But more so, while I don't feel old I don't feel the totality of my life experiences is something who is "young"  would typically have.  I always found it disrespectful when people my age would call people like me "young man, youngster, you're young"  because it was clearly meant to convey that somehow they knew something more than me because of age.  While I don't feel the need to make the same sentiments towards others in their late teens and early twenties there is a large degree of life experience an adult does accumulate. 

I don't know, my Dad looked like a 55 year old man at my age and both my Grand Parents looked 40 by the time they graduated high school.  Maybe people are aging better or at least taking care of themselves better health wise?  I know there is a slower progression into adulthood these days but it definitely wasn't something I experienced having gotten into career work and moving across the country at 18.

Thats a good point, but is it better to be old with no experience? Or young with experience? I think old w/non is just a damn fool.

I notice a workout regime & healthy eating habits (who would have thought) are what keep people young & fresh.

Just because you have time in doesn't mean you're an old fart. Hit a club up you probably would have way better dance moves & the same amount of energy as a 20 year old.


iPhone

[AlexandriaVA]

The drop-off in miles driven in the DC area are doing wonders for local air quality. I've seen similar reports from other metropolitan areas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/04/22/washington-dc-air-quality-coronavirus/

Washington has its cleanest spring air in 25 years: How air quality has improved during the coronavirus crisis

Washingtonians are breathing the cleanest spring air they have in decades, a likely side effect of orders to stay at home during the ongoing coronavirus crisis, along with favorable weather, air quality experts say.

In the Washington region, traffic along major interstate highways has decreased by approximately 50 percent while electricity demand has dropped by about 7 percent, according to Jennifer Desimone, the air program chief with the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments.

[LM117]

8 big cats at the Bronx Zoo have tested positive...

https://newsroom.wcs.org/News-Releases/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/14084/Update-Bronx-Zoo-Tigers-and-Lions-Recovering-from-COVID-19.aspx

...and cases have been confirmed on 26 US Navy ships.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/494188-coronavirus-cases-reported-on-26-us-navy-ships

[Max Rockatansky]

Apparently, this shit is causing strokes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

Since when is 30s and 40s young adults?

Also, the article doesn't really go into any detail if these individuals were healthy or had conditions that might increase the risk of a stroke.  It would be one thing if trained athletes were having stroked versus someone of the same age who smokes and is overweight.

I guess since 50 is the new 30. People are living till 80-100 so that means new age groups.


Also the article says they "had no prior health history" . Idk if that means they couldn't access files or that they were health adults. However Delaware has been letting it known if the person who passed had underlying health issues.


iPhone

I don't feel like a "young adult"  at close to forty.  I noticed that's a thing these days, people will tell me that I'm still "so young."   How is the case when statistically speaking my lifespan is about half over?  Nobody would have told my Dad and Grand Fathers that they were "young"  at 30 much less 40. 

Anyways, the "no health"  doesn't mean that all the individuals were in fact healthy.  Lots of people who lead unhealthy lives don't see the doctor regularly or if ever.  I've noticed that there has been an tendency to not really elaborate on really critical details in these articles that could be useful.  The way the article is written sounds as though it's meant to spook non-elderly readers into thinking that they could have sudden strokes.  That may be the case but it would be nice to have more substantive detail than just a couple paragraphs.

I do agree the article seemed like it was written to scare younger people. Its like they heard someone had a stroke from "corona"  & went crazy.

Why don't you feel young ? 40 is pretty young still maybe 30 years ago it was looked at differently.

But now 40 is like the new 20 you can start a whole new live just make sure you throw a workout routine in there just to be safe [emoji23][emoji23].

But for real though 40 really isnt that old anymore. Even though it seems like half your life I see 40 year old people looking good.

shit I saw a 70 year old lyft driver in Florida, dude looked no older then 40. It was 72.

I guess thats another way to stay young forever, live in the warm & sunshine.


iPhone

Regarding workouts a lot of what I do is littered through this thread given it has been something I've had to contend with regarding virus restrictions.  Suffice to say a good Half Marathon is the typical way I start my week on Monday.

I equate being "young"  with being also inexperienced.  I've been in my career field for 19 years at this point and I'm definitely more tenured than 95% of people I interact with.  To that end from a professional stand point I'm way past the point of starting over. 

But more so, while I don't feel old I don't feel the totality of my life experiences is something who is "young"  would typically have.  I always found it disrespectful when people my age would call people like me "young man, youngster, you're young"  because it was clearly meant to convey that somehow they knew something more than me because of age.  While I don't feel the need to make the same sentiments towards others in their late teens and early twenties there is a large degree of life experience an adult does accumulate. 

I don't know, my Dad looked like a 55 year old man at my age and both my Grand Parents looked 40 by the time they graduated high school.  Maybe people are aging better or at least taking care of themselves better health wise?  I know there is a slower progression into adulthood these days but it definitely wasn't something I experienced having gotten into career work and moving across the country at 18.

Thats a good point, but is it better to be old with no experience? Or young with experience? I think old w/non is just a damn fool.

I notice a workout regime & healthy eating habits (who would have thought) are what keep people young & fresh.

Just because you have time in doesn't mean you're an old fart. Hit a club up you probably would have way better dance moves & the same amount of energy as a 20 year old.


iPhone

I tend to lean towards have knowledge and experience are the best things accumulate in life regardless of age.

Ironically I had relearn how to dance for my wedding in the next too recent past.  My wife likes to dance and I had completely forgotten how to.  But to that end, yes I would agree having an active lifestyle does seem to have an affect on the process of aging.  My grandparents were worn down by hard lives that were common around the World War II era.  Baby Boomers weren't exactly known for physical activity not having a healthy diet.  My Dad had totally grey hair at 30, I just have some in beard which was there when I was 23. 

[kalvado]

Look at Canada, Australia and New Zealand.  They've all been just fine both during and after British rule.

Those weren't wars. There are some good examples of independence via war, but not those three.

That's my point, which I didn't articulate clearly enough.

Those three countries are examples of how countries formerly under British rule became independent anyway without the need of a war.  Their citizens were fine under British rule and are fine now.  The British weren't the tyrants that history sometimes paints them to be.

The British were tyrants, just not to English speakers. Look up the Bengal famine or the Irish potato famine. I do understand your point though.

Then you really have to dial down on your praise of US to account for Americans being tyrant, just not to their own. Slavery and banana republics.

[kalvado]

Ending lockdowns now will create a spike in the number of cases, which you would have to have your head buried pretty deep in the sand not to understand.

Considering the number of cases still turning up even with the lockdowns being in place for a month now. . .

Nothing says you cannot stay in on your own.

Too true. If you live in an area where lockdowns are being relaxed, but you object to it and are still concerned that you might contract Coronavirus, just keep staying inside. When lockdowns are added, they're saying "everybody must stay inside". But when lockdowns are removed, they're NOT saying "everybody must go outside". I have a feeling that even in those areas, much of the lockdown will continue, but it'll be self-enforced.

You know who "must go outside?"  The health care workers, who have to increase/prolong their exposure risk because some idiot governor wants to be popular and free everybody.  The health care workers don't get to choose to stay home.

I'm not sure how this will sound, but is it not part of a health care workers job to be potentially exposed to some hazards?   I certainly don't think anyone who is of sound mind who enters a health care field goes in with the perception they won't be exposed to a disease at some point.  Granted most health care works probably DO have an expectation about being provided proper PPE.

One thing is to take a risk, and the other thing is to increase the risk beyond required. Proper PPE is only that good: N95 stopping 95% of particles means 5% still go through.  Looks like a lot of medical professionals getting sick from this virus - not to mention working beyond any reasonable schedule.

[hbelkins]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

Re: Cats being tested

It's hard enough to give a cat a pill or a dropper full of medicine (I have the scratches to prove it). I can't imagine trying to stick a Q-tip up a cat's tiny nostrils (assuming they test felines the same way they test humans).

Re: Rallies

It's absolutely untrue to claim with 100 percent certainty that if you participate in a protest or other gathering, you are definitely spreading or contributing to the spread of the virus. That's just another scare tactic, fostered by leaders (governors) who don't like their authority being questioned or sheeple who believe everything the government says and go along with the "we know best; it's for your own good" argument when people are having trouble paying their bills, buying food, etc. I saw something yesterday from a Kentuckian who has not been able to successfully apply for unemployment due to the system being overwhelmed, and they're running out of food. The simple solution to solve that is to let her and her husband go back to work, and anyone who wants to stay in after things open back up are welcome to do so.

The whole idea of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Yet for 98 percent of the country (New York and environs being the glaring exception), not only did the health care system NOT become overwhelmed, but hospitals are mostly empty and staff members are being furloughed or laid off. In Kentucky, they've built two temporary hospitals (the fairgrounds in Louisville and the UK football practice facility in Lexington) and neither will be used because there's so much capacity in existing hospitals. So now, "overwhelming the health care system" is not a valid reason for continuing the forced closures.

[NWI_Irish96]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

Re: Cats being tested

It's hard enough to give a cat a pill or a dropper full of medicine (I have the scratches to prove it). I can't imagine trying to stick a Q-tip up a cat's tiny nostrils (assuming they test felines the same way they test humans).

Re: Rallies

It's absolutely untrue to claim with 100 percent certainty that if you participate in a protest or other gathering, you are definitely spreading or contributing to the spread of the virus. That's just another scare tactic, fostered by leaders (governors) who don't like their authority being questioned or sheeple who believe everything the government says and go along with the "we know best; it's for your own good" argument when people are having trouble paying their bills, buying food, etc. I saw something yesterday from a Kentuckian who has not been able to successfully apply for unemployment due to the system being overwhelmed, and they're running out of food. The simple solution to solve that is to let her and her husband go back to work, and anyone who wants to stay in after things open back up are welcome to do so.

The whole idea of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Yet for 98 percent of the country (New York and environs being the glaring exception), not only did the health care system NOT become overwhelmed, but hospitals are mostly empty and staff members are being furloughed or laid off. In Kentucky, they've built two temporary hospitals (the fairgrounds in Louisville and the UK football practice facility in Lexington) and neither will be used because there's so much capacity in existing hospitals. So now, "overwhelming the health care system" is not a valid reason for continuing the forced closures.

Participating in the protests is not contributing to the spread of the virus directly, but if the protests succeed in achieving their goal, that is what will contribute to the spread of the virus.

[GaryV]

Ending lockdowns now will create a spike in the number of cases, which you would have to have your head buried pretty deep in the sand not to understand.

Considering the number of cases still turning up even with the lockdowns being in place for a month now. . .

Nothing says you cannot stay in on your own.

Too true. If you live in an area where lockdowns are being relaxed, but you object to it and are still concerned that you might contract Coronavirus, just keep staying inside. When lockdowns are added, they're saying "everybody must stay inside". But when lockdowns are removed, they're NOT saying "everybody must go outside". I have a feeling that even in those areas, much of the lockdown will continue, but it'll be self-enforced.

So what happens if the lockdown is lifted, and your boss says, "Come back to work, or you're fired."  What choice do you have about staying inside then?

[SEWIGuy]

America is special because of the basis on which it was founded, and the way it has been uniquely prospered as a nation in the years since.

Sorry, but what is special about how the United States was founded?  Revolts against distant rule have happened for time eternal.  The continue to happen.  And will happen well into the future.
...
Don't get me wrong.  It's worked out just fine.  But a more critical understanding of history would see that it wasn't some unique revolution.

It was the first major country not ruled by a king or queen and founded on the basis of freedom, equality, and justice.

Well unless you were a slave.  Or a woman. 

[SEWIGuy]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

Re: Cats being tested

It's hard enough to give a cat a pill or a dropper full of medicine (I have the scratches to prove it). I can't imagine trying to stick a Q-tip up a cat's tiny nostrils (assuming they test felines the same way they test humans).

Re: Rallies

It's absolutely untrue to claim with 100 percent certainty that if you participate in a protest or other gathering, you are definitely spreading or contributing to the spread of the virus. That's just another scare tactic, fostered by leaders (governors) who don't like their authority being questioned or sheeple who believe everything the government says and go along with the "we know best; it's for your own good" argument when people are having trouble paying their bills, buying food, etc. I saw something yesterday from a Kentuckian who has not been able to successfully apply for unemployment due to the system being overwhelmed, and they're running out of food. The simple solution to solve that is to let her and her husband go back to work, and anyone who wants to stay in after things open back up are welcome to do so.

The whole idea of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Yet for 98 percent of the country (New York and environs being the glaring exception), not only did the health care system NOT become overwhelmed, but hospitals are mostly empty and staff members are being furloughed or laid off. In Kentucky, they've built two temporary hospitals (the fairgrounds in Louisville and the UK football practice facility in Lexington) and neither will be used because there's so much capacity in existing hospitals. So now, "overwhelming the health care system" is not a valid reason for continuing the forced closures.

Participating in the protests is not contributing to the spread of the virus directly, but if the protests succeed in achieving their goal, that is what will contribute to the spread of the virus.

And it *may* be contributing to the spread of the virus directly.

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

Re: Cats being tested

It's hard enough to give a cat a pill or a dropper full of medicine (I have the scratches to prove it). I can't imagine trying to stick a Q-tip up a cat's tiny nostrils (assuming they test felines the same way they test humans).

Re: Rallies

It's absolutely untrue to claim with 100 percent certainty that if you participate in a protest or other gathering, you are definitely spreading or contributing to the spread of the virus. That's just another scare tactic, fostered by leaders (governors) who don't like their authority being questioned or sheeple who believe everything the government says and go along with the "we know best; it's for your own good" argument when people are having trouble paying their bills, buying food, etc. I saw something yesterday from a Kentuckian who has not been able to successfully apply for unemployment due to the system being overwhelmed, and they're running out of food. The simple solution to solve that is to let her and her husband go back to work, and anyone who wants to stay in after things open back up are welcome to do so.

The whole idea of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Yet for 98 percent of the country (New York and environs being the glaring exception), not only did the health care system NOT become overwhelmed, but hospitals are mostly empty and staff members are being furloughed or laid off. In Kentucky, they've built two temporary hospitals (the fairgrounds in Louisville and the UK football practice facility in Lexington) and neither will be used because there's so much capacity in existing hospitals. So now, "overwhelming the health care system" is not a valid reason for continuing the forced closures.

Participating in the protests is not contributing to the spread of the virus directly, but if the protests succeed in achieving their goal, that is what will contribute to the spread of the virus.

I had a thought about the protests.  If you're adhering to social distancing by staying in a car or in some other fashion during a protest then aren't you sending a contradictory message?

[AsphaltPlanet]

Re: Rallies

It's absolutely untrue to claim with 100 percent certainty that if you participate in a protest or other gathering, you are definitely spreading or contributing to the spread of the virus. That's just another scare tactic, fostered by leaders (governors) who don't like their authority being questioned or sheeple who believe everything the government says and go along with the "we know best; it's for your own good" argument when people are having trouble paying their bills, buying food, etc. I saw something yesterday from a Kentuckian who has not been able to successfully apply for unemployment due to the system being overwhelmed, and they're running out of food. The simple solution to solve that is to let her and her husband go back to work, and anyone who wants to stay in after things open back up are welcome to do so.

The whole idea of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Yet for 98 percent of the country (New York and environs being the glaring exception), not only did the health care system NOT become overwhelmed, but hospitals are mostly empty and staff members are being furloughed or laid off. In Kentucky, they've built two temporary hospitals (the fairgrounds in Louisville and the UK football practice facility in Lexington) and neither will be used because there's so much capacity in existing hospitals. So now, "overwhelming the health care system" is not a valid reason for continuing the forced closures.

I don't think it's a scare tactic.

I'm sure the governors don't like the fact that their authority is being question -- it's only human not to like something like that.

I think the reason governors are upset is because the individual actions of the people (or perhaps conservative radio sheeple) participating in the protests has the potential to significantly impact the community at large.  That's the issue.

The actions of the protesters may not lead to a significant increase in the spread of the virus -- but also it could lead to the spread.  And if it does, everyone loses because of their actions.  Everyone.

I'm honestly not sure if any government is taking the right course of action to mitigate the spread of the virus.  And if you had have asked me six weeks ago, I'd have thought the situation would be worse than it is by now than it has turned out to be.

Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the protesters -- certainly I'm eager for normal life to resume as well -- but pretending that their actions is somehow completely and totally righteous completely ignores a set of facts.  Facts that are decidedly not irrelevant.

[Roadgeekteen]

Look at Canada, Australia and New Zealand.  They've all been just fine both during and after British rule.

Those weren't wars. There are some good examples of independence via war, but not those three.

That's my point, which I didn't articulate clearly enough.

Those three countries are examples of how countries formerly under British rule became independent anyway without the need of a war.  Their citizens were fine under British rule and are fine now.  The British weren't the tyrants that history sometimes paints them to be.

The British were tyrants, just not to English speakers. Look up the Bengal famine or the Irish potato famine. I do understand your point though.

Then you really have to dial down on your praise of US to account for Americans being tyrant, just not to their own. Slavery and banana republics.

I never said that the American's weren't tyrants, they definitely were.

[TheGrassGuy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/23/2-7-million-new-yorkers-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus-study/amp/

About 20 percent of New Yorkers could have the virus...

[LM117]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

California couldn't secede if it wanted to. See Texas v. White (1869).

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/23/2-7-million-new-yorkers-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus-study/amp/

About 20 percent of New Yorkers could have the virus...

Assuming that's accurate...

On some levels that is good.  It shows that many people who get the disease are asymptomatic.

The bad news is that, even with all of that death, we are nowhere near herd immunity even in the hardest hit part of the country.

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Secession

If California decides to secede, I hope the rest of the country doesn't take up arms to force them to stay if they don't want to. The Civil War didn't need to happen.

California couldn't secede if it wanted to. See Texas v. White (1869).

Not to mention the logistics involved with water rights would pretty much make it a non-starter.  If something like that was going to happen it needed to before the big public works projects of the early 20th Century. 

Despite what you all might hear reported in other states there really isn't any kind of will power here to move towards making California it's own country.  Look to other examples like how close Quebec has come at times from splitting away from Canada as a closer analog to how something like that would work in reality.

Granted, Gavin Newsom using the term "Nation State"  fairly recently was probably ill advised.  That jab was made after repeated calls here locally for aid and disaster relief that didn't get heeded in the early going of Virus-Gate.     

[Max Rockatansky]

Meanwhile in Tennessee hubris is afoot: 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brothers-hoarded-17-700-hand-122640360.html

[oscar]

Not to mention the logistics involved with water rights would pretty much make it a non-starter.  If something like that was going to happen it needed to before the big public works projects of the early 20th Century. 

Despite what you all might hear reported in other states there really isn't any kind of will power here to move towards making California it's own country.  Look to other examples like how close Quebec has come at times from splitting away from Canada as a closer analog to how something like that would work in reality.

IIRC, when Quebec came closest to voting for secession, Canada's federal government issued dark reminders just before the vote that secession can be a two-way street, and that the First Nations that control a lot of Quebec's hydropower resources might leave Quebec to stay with Canada.

In a similar "West Virginia" scenario, California's redder regions might be encouraged to remain with the Union, and take much of California's water supply with them.

[Roadgeekteen]

Not to mention the logistics involved with water rights would pretty much make it a non-starter.  If something like that was going to happen it needed to before the big public works projects of the early 20th Century. 

Despite what you all might hear reported in other states there really isn't any kind of will power here to move towards making California it's own country.  Look to other examples like how close Quebec has come at times from splitting away from Canada as a closer analog to how something like that would work in reality.

IIRC, when Quebec came closest to voting for secession, Canada's federal government issued dark reminders just before the vote that secession can be a two-way street, and that the First Nations that control a lot of Quebec's hydropower resources might leave Quebec to stay with Canada.

In a similar "West Virginia" scenario, California's redder regions might be encouraged to remain with the Union, and take much of California's water supply with them.

I give the chance of California seceding at about 0.01%