Coronavirus pandemic

[hotdogPi]

On the other hand, we had the bug guy come to our house yesterday because of an ant problem, and he didn't even wear a mask in our house.

I think you all can assume by now that it didn't bother me.

You might have contacted SARS-COV-2 from that very person. You might be doomed already, you just don't know it yet.

At a possible chance you might have gotten it, and even then, you'll more likely be among the 75-80% who have no to few symptoms, never even realizing you had it.  If you're among the 20% when get symptoms you can feel, then odds are, you'll stay out of the hospital anyway.  Only if you're among the 0.5-0.8% (and that number may be high, given some of the more recent serology tests), you perish.  It's a number below the 1918 H1N1 flu, and vastly lower than the 1348 Black Plague (which some folks seem to act like this is).

75% have no symptoms? Thought it was 40.

See bolded words.

[SEWIGuy]

On the other hand, we had the bug guy come to our house yesterday because of an ant problem, and he didn't even wear a mask in our house.

I think you all can assume by now that it didn't bother me.

You might have contacted SARS-COV-2 from that very person. You might be doomed already, you just don't know it yet.

At a possible chance you might have gotten it, and even then, you'll more likely be among the 75-80% who have no to few symptoms, never even realizing you had it.  If you're among the 20% when get symptoms you can feel, then odds are, you'll stay out of the hospital anyway.  Only if you're among the 0.5-0.8% (and that number may be high, given some of the more recent serology tests), you perish.  It's a number below the 1918 H1N1 flu, and vastly lower than the 1348 Black Plague (which some folks seem to act like this is).

75% have no symptoms? Thought it was 40.

See bolded words.

Where did you come up with that figure?

[Roadgeekteen]

On the other hand, we had the bug guy come to our house yesterday because of an ant problem, and he didn't even wear a mask in our house.

I think you all can assume by now that it didn't bother me.

You might have contacted SARS-COV-2 from that very person. You might be doomed already, you just don't know it yet.

At a possible chance you might have gotten it, and even then, you'll more likely be among the 75-80% who have no to few symptoms, never even realizing you had it.  If you're among the 20% when get symptoms you can feel, then odds are, you'll stay out of the hospital anyway.  Only if you're among the 0.5-0.8% (and that number may be high, given some of the more recent serology tests), you perish.  It's a number below the 1918 H1N1 flu, and vastly lower than the 1348 Black Plague (which some folks seem to act like this is).

75% have no symptoms? Thought it was 40.

See bolded words.

Where did you come up with that figure?

Well, when I looked it up it said that 80% of cases were mild.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-its-like-to-survive-covid-19

[SEWIGuy]

I have to admit, I never realized how much most people eat out until this pandemic.  With the exception of their weekly trip to Proietti's for pizza (usually... sometimes they'll be different and order an entree off the menu), my parents only eat out once in a blue moon.  I eat out even less often... outside of roadtrips, eating out for me is mainly my weekly pizza/wings takeout (my parents have been making their weekly trip for longer than I've been alive; the habit stuck), especially as I view a sit-down restaurant (as opposed to fast food or fast casual) as primarily being a social affair.  Meanwhile, eating out for lunch on work days is both unhealthy and expensive, so I only do it when I'm out in the field rather than in the office.

I assumed everyone was this way.  Given the huge disruptions we had even before outbreaks at meat packing plants, I guess not.

My wife and I used to eat out about three times a week.  We also would eat lunch at the cafeteria at work (we work at the same place) pretty regularly, meaning we often just had a small meal at home after work.  We were running our dishwasher about twice a week pre-pandemic.  We are running it 6 or 7 times now because not only are we at home all of the time, but we are making dinner about five or six nights a week.  Rotating where we order out from the other nights.

[SEWIGuy]

On the other hand, we had the bug guy come to our house yesterday because of an ant problem, and he didn't even wear a mask in our house.

I think you all can assume by now that it didn't bother me.

You might have contacted SARS-COV-2 from that very person. You might be doomed already, you just don't know it yet.

At a possible chance you might have gotten it, and even then, you'll more likely be among the 75-80% who have no to few symptoms, never even realizing you had it.  If you're among the 20% when get symptoms you can feel, then odds are, you'll stay out of the hospital anyway.  Only if you're among the 0.5-0.8% (and that number may be high, given some of the more recent serology tests), you perish.  It's a number below the 1918 H1N1 flu, and vastly lower than the 1348 Black Plague (which some folks seem to act like this is).

75% have no symptoms? Thought it was 40.

See bolded words.

Where did you come up with that figure?

Well, when I looked it up it said that 80% of cases were mild.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-its-like-to-survive-covid-19

No, he said 75%-80% with no or few symptoms, "never even realizing you had it."  Where does he come up with the figure that 75-80% never realize they had it?  There is no basis for that assertion at all because that would require that we not only were regularly testing assymptomatic or people with few symptoms, but at a rate four times of those with symptoms.  And we aren't doing that.

[kphoger]

On the other hand, we had the bug guy come to our house yesterday because of an ant problem, and he didn't even wear a mask in our house.

I think you all can assume by now that it didn't bother me.

You might have contacted SARS-COV-2 from that very person. You might be doomed already, you just don't know it yet.

Yep.  I know.  And literally every person who comes into my house on any given day in any given year might transmit a virus to me and my family.  It doesn't paralyze me with fear.

You're not going to be able to take mom out to a restaurant for Mother's Day, but otherwise you can drive around, go to many shore towns, go to most parks, etc.  Cooking for mom is permitted also.

Not in New Jersey, but I could take my mom to a restaurant on Sunday if I chose to.  I just saw that my local Chili's is open for dine-in business, for example.  But my sister and her husband are coming into town (today?) from Iowa, and we'll be grilling out at my parents' house for Mothers Day.  That's the family tradition every year anyway.

[kphoger]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

[Max Rockatansky]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

We're back on this "blood on your hands"  stuff about "murdering"  people by not staying in?

[Roadgeekteen]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

We're back on this "blood on your hands"  stuff about "murdering"  people by not staying in?

Yes, he called me a "murderer". Excessive maybe Bugo? I'm sleeping fine.

[Max Rockatansky]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

We're back on this "blood on your hands"  stuff about "murdering"  people by not staying in?

Yes, he called me a "murderer". Excessive maybe Bugo? I'm sleeping fine.

Unless you are purposely getting sick with COViD-19 and finding people in health to cough on.  A couple people have said similar things to me because I go to work everyday and have delivered food/supplies to family.  How the conclusion that I'm a "murderer"  by those actions is beyond me but it is an opinion lots seems to share as absurd as it seems...I guess that's an example of "social shaming?"   I sleep okay, maybe a little less since I'm out running the empty streets pretty much everyday now. 

[Roadgeekteen]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

We're back on this "blood on your hands"  stuff about "murdering"  people by not staying in?

Yes, he called me a "murderer". Excessive maybe Bugo? I'm sleeping fine.

Unless you are purposely getting sick with COViD-19 and finding people in health to cough on.  A couple people have said similar things to me because I go to work everyday and have delivered food/supplies to family.  How the conclusion that I'm a "murderer"  by those actions is beyond me but it is an opinion lots seems to share as absurd as it seems.  I sleep okay, maybe a little less since I'm out running the empty streets pretty much everyday now.

I'm practicing social distancing when I take a walk, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people.

[Max Rockatansky]

How can you sleep with blood on your hands?

See Reply #2590.

We're back on this "blood on your hands"  stuff about "murdering"  people by not staying in?

Yes, he called me a "murderer". Excessive maybe Bugo? I'm sleeping fine.

Unless you are purposely getting sick with COViD-19 and finding people in health to cough on.  A couple people have said similar things to me because I go to work everyday and have delivered food/supplies to family.  How the conclusion that I'm a "murderer"  by those actions is beyond me but it is an opinion lots seems to share as absurd as it seems.  I sleep okay, maybe a little less since I'm out running the empty streets pretty much everyday now.

I'm practicing social distancing when I take a walk, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people.

Usually there isn't anyone even out at 4:30-5 AM in the morning for that to be a problem.  The only people I see are the other runners or cyclists, none of them are new. 

[kphoger]

I'm practicing social distancing when I take a walk, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people.

It was never a habit of mine to get within six feet of other people when taking a walk anyway.

[kphoger]

The fact that shutting down the country has already given someone here a possible heart attack is a good indication that it needs to end.

You sure the timing wasn't just coincidental and nothing more?

It wasn't coincidental. My heart started racing on March 17 or 18.

I wasn't questioning the when.  I was questioning the why.  Did the doctors agree that it could have been induced by the additional stress?

They didn't say how or why it happened.

And if it was caused by stress, was it stress over the lockdown?  Or stress over COVID itself?

It was over the lockdown. I actually wasn't that afraid of the virus until the lockdown created all the panic.

I've been struggling with crippling anxiety all my life, but I've never heard of anxiety causing blood clots in the lungs.

bugo:   Where in that whole conversation did bandit957 claim the blood clot was due to anxiety?  Nowhere.

[Ben114]

I'm practicing social distancing when I take a walk, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people.

It was never a habit of mine to get within six feet of other people when taking a walk anyway.

My dog will pull me at least 10-15 feet away from anyone

(ooh 300 posts)

[GaryV]

From an anonymous employee at Henry Ford Hospital:

Zero.
For a surgery department — a poor case count. For a supply chain rep — not enough supplies.
Zero is "just a number" that means little to us during our day-to-day lives.
But today "zero" is different.
Today we had zero deaths — and I cried.
Today zero means so much more.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm practicing social distancing when I take a walk, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people.

It was never a habit of mine to get within six feet of other people when taking a walk anyway.

My dog will pull me at least 10-15 feet away from anyone

(ooh 300 posts)

Usually I go to the other side of the road if possible depending on the size of a dog when I'm running.  Most aren't receptive of having someone flying past them at 8 MPH or will want to chase. 

[jemacedo9]

The fact is...more people are going to die because of this than before this existed, including people who have higher risk factors (known and unknown).  The fact that we're going to all die someday hasn't changed, it just has changed the potential timeframe.  The opinion is, in some people who are staunchly asserting their rights, it sounds asympathetic and self-absorbed, whether it's intended or not.  But some of the social shaming is going too far in the other direction.

The fact is...we didn't know much about this in Feb, and by March, the level of information and trusted information and misinformation were confusing.  The opinion is...the reaction of what occurred in Italy prompted a reaction that probably saved lives but caused a ton of other issues.

The opinion is...the worst thing we can do is pick an answer that is one extreme (total lockdown) or the other (total wide-open "back-to-normal a/k/a pre-COVID-19" lifestyle).  But how to manage that?  Particularly in a society where if you give an inch, people take a mile?  The ol' question of where do you draw the line?  Of which you can't ever possibly please everyone?   

There's a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking of what "should have been done" through today...too late to change that.  And I wouldn't want to be a governor wrestling with this...it's a no win.  But what to do going forward isn't clear cut, either.  It's a question of balance...of which there isn't a perfect one.

My only wish is that there's some empathy in the fact that bad shit is going to occur no matter what.  And some comments, both sides, seem to miss that.

[Roadgeekteen]

The fact is...more people are going to die because of this than before this existed, including people who have higher risk factors (known and unknown).  The fact that we're going to all die someday hasn't changed, it just has changed the potential timeframe.  The opinion is, in some people who are staunchly asserting their rights, it sounds asympathetic and self-absorbed, whether it's intended or not.  But some of the social shaming is going too far in the other direction.

The fact is...we didn't know much about this in Feb, and by March, the level of information and trusted information and misinformation were confusing.  The opinion is...the reaction of what occurred in Italy prompted a reaction that probably saved lives but caused a ton of other issues.

The opinion is...the worst thing we can do is pick an answer that is one extreme (total lockdown) or the other (total wide-open "back-to-normal a/k/a pre-COVID-19" lifestyle).  But how to manage that?  Particularly in a society where if you give an inch, people take a mile?  The ol' question of where do you draw the line?  Of which you can't ever possibly please everyone?   

There's a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking of what "should have been done" through today...too late to change that.  And I wouldn't want to be a governor wrestling with this...it's a no win.  But what to do going forward isn't clear cut, either.  It's a question of balance...of which there isn't a perfect one.

My only wish is that there's some empathy in the fact that bad shit is going to occur no matter what.  And some comments, both sides, seem to miss that.

I understand that neither side is completely right. Let's just try to get through this.

[NWI_Irish96]

The fact is...more people are going to die because of this than before this existed, including people who have higher risk factors (known and unknown).  The fact that we're going to all die someday hasn't changed, it just has changed the potential timeframe.  The opinion is, in some people who are staunchly asserting their rights, it sounds asympathetic and self-absorbed, whether it's intended or not.  But some of the social shaming is going too far in the other direction.

The fact is...we didn't know much about this in Feb, and by March, the level of information and trusted information and misinformation were confusing.  The opinion is...the reaction of what occurred in Italy prompted a reaction that probably saved lives but caused a ton of other issues.

The opinion is...the worst thing we can do is pick an answer that is one extreme (total lockdown) or the other (total wide-open "back-to-normal a/k/a pre-COVID-19" lifestyle).  But how to manage that?  Particularly in a society where if you give an inch, people take a mile?  The ol' question of where do you draw the line?  Of which you can't ever possibly please everyone?   

There's a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking of what "should have been done" through today...too late to change that.  And I wouldn't want to be a governor wrestling with this...it's a no win.  But what to do going forward isn't clear cut, either.  It's a question of balance...of which there isn't a perfect one.

My only wish is that there's some empathy in the fact that bad shit is going to occur no matter what.  And some comments, both sides, seem to miss that.

I have a bit of a different perspective on this being married to a respiratory therapist. She's experiencing the worst of this every day. It baffles me that people wouldn't do whatever is necessary to reduce the death rate and get this thing over with as soon as possible.

The suggestion that if you go out when you don't need to, you're causing someone to die, is a bit overblown, but perhaps necessarily so in a society where we are so focused on ourselves and our individual rights and have little regard for the collective.

For every x personal contacts made, another person will die from this. That's an irrefutable fact. We don't know the exact value of x because of the lack of testing, and x certainly varies by area based on current infection rates and population density, but every time you go out, you get us to x more quickly.

Everybody is complaining about the government suppressing people's liberties, but the government shouldn't even have to be doing it. It ought to be common sense that we all just do this for the good of everybody.

[bandit957]

If things continue as badly as they did in late March and April (though I know May has been better so far), what kind of life do we really have? There were many times in March and April when I really didn't even want to live.

[Max Rockatansky]

The fact is...more people are going to die because of this than before this existed, including people who have higher risk factors (known and unknown).  The fact that we're going to all die someday hasn't changed, it just has changed the potential timeframe.  The opinion is, in some people who are staunchly asserting their rights, it sounds asympathetic and self-absorbed, whether it's intended or not.  But some of the social shaming is going too far in the other direction.

The fact is...we didn't know much about this in Feb, and by March, the level of information and trusted information and misinformation were confusing.  The opinion is...the reaction of what occurred in Italy prompted a reaction that probably saved lives but caused a ton of other issues.

The opinion is...the worst thing we can do is pick an answer that is one extreme (total lockdown) or the other (total wide-open "back-to-normal a/k/a pre-COVID-19" lifestyle).  But how to manage that?  Particularly in a society where if you give an inch, people take a mile?  The ol' question of where do you draw the line?  Of which you can't ever possibly please everyone?   

There's a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking of what "should have been done" through today...too late to change that.  And I wouldn't want to be a governor wrestling with this...it's a no win.  But what to do going forward isn't clear cut, either.  It's a question of balance...of which there isn't a perfect one.

My only wish is that there's some empathy in the fact that bad shit is going to occur no matter what.  And some comments, both sides, seem to miss that.

I have a bit of a different perspective on this being married to a respiratory therapist. She's experiencing the worst of this every day. It baffles me that people wouldn't do whatever is necessary to reduce the death rate and get this thing over with as soon as possible.

The suggestion that if you go out when you don't need to, you're causing someone to die, is a bit overblown, but perhaps necessarily so in a society where we are so focused on ourselves and our individual rights and have little regard for the collective.

For every x personal contacts made, another person will die from this. That's an irrefutable fact. We don't know the exact value of x because of the lack of testing, and x certainly varies by area based on current infection rates and population density, but every time you go out, you get us to x more quickly.

Everybody is complaining about the government suppressing people's liberties, but the government shouldn't even have to be doing it. It ought to be common sense that we all just do this for the good of everybody.

In my case I haven't made one complaint about civil liberties.   My major was in criminal law so that argument about "constitutional infringements"  in most cases is pretty weak most of the time...not always though in some instances.  I do want things to "start"  reopening and I do think at least locally that it is overdue to start the process. 

[Max Rockatansky]

Apparently I still have $116 dollars in my wallet left over from when I got home from Mexico.  I don't think that I've had that much money in my wallet for that long (a little over two months) my entire life. 

[webny99]

There have been a lot of tiring things during this pandemic, but trying to keep up with this thread has got to be nearing the top of the list...

This is now the most replied to off topic thread by almost 2 times.

Wow, true!! And the runners-up ("Threads You'll Never See on aaroads.com" and "DST 2018") are both locked.

Next in line after that only has 1089 posts. This thread should easily be triple that within a few days.

[Roadgeekteen]

The fact is...more people are going to die because of this than before this existed, including people who have higher risk factors (known and unknown).  The fact that we're going to all die someday hasn't changed, it just has changed the potential timeframe.  The opinion is, in some people who are staunchly asserting their rights, it sounds asympathetic and self-absorbed, whether it's intended or not.  But some of the social shaming is going too far in the other direction.

The fact is...we didn't know much about this in Feb, and by March, the level of information and trusted information and misinformation were confusing.  The opinion is...the reaction of what occurred in Italy prompted a reaction that probably saved lives but caused a ton of other issues.

The opinion is...the worst thing we can do is pick an answer that is one extreme (total lockdown) or the other (total wide-open "back-to-normal a/k/a pre-COVID-19" lifestyle).  But how to manage that?  Particularly in a society where if you give an inch, people take a mile?  The ol' question of where do you draw the line?  Of which you can't ever possibly please everyone?   

There's a lot of arm-chair quarterbacking of what "should have been done" through today...too late to change that.  And I wouldn't want to be a governor wrestling with this...it's a no win.  But what to do going forward isn't clear cut, either.  It's a question of balance...of which there isn't a perfect one.

My only wish is that there's some empathy in the fact that bad shit is going to occur no matter what.  And some comments, both sides, seem to miss that.

I have a bit of a different perspective on this being married to a respiratory therapist. She's experiencing the worst of this every day. It baffles me that people wouldn't do whatever is necessary to reduce the death rate and get this thing over with as soon as possible.

The suggestion that if you go out when you don't need to, you're causing someone to die, is a bit overblown, but perhaps necessarily so in a society where we are so focused on ourselves and our individual rights and have little regard for the collective.

For every x personal contacts made, another person will die from this. That's an irrefutable fact. We don't know the exact value of x because of the lack of testing, and x certainly varies by area based on current infection rates and population density, but every time you go out, you get us to x more quickly.

Everybody is complaining about the government suppressing people's liberties, but the government shouldn't even have to be doing it. It ought to be common sense that we all just do this for the good of everybody.

I understand, but we can't understate the mental effect of this, as Bandit has stated.