Coronavirus pandemic

[Max Rockatansky]

That's ridiculous.  We should wear masks indoors in public places or where people are crowded together, but not when alone outside.

California has an all the time outdoor rule as well (although exercise and hiking are excluded).  Essentially said provision isn't something that can be enforced.

One of the TV stations local to me has a story saying that the requirement to wear a mask outdoors will apply only in public settings where six-foot social distancing cannot be maintained.  But I don't know that this is based on actual sight of any draft verbiage.

I think the majority of the motivation is to get mask wearing in public indoor spaces to 100% or close to it.  If that happens, it may be enough to tamp down the current surge in cases, since large gatherings are basically no longer happening outdoors--Fourth of July fireworks and large events like Taco Fest have been cancelled, and we are in the dog days of summer.  I'm skeptical there is any real interest in attempting to enforce a mask order outdoors, with or without a carve-out for open spaces.

That's all fine and good, but I would rather not have enforceable provisions added just for show.  It kind of undermines the goal of attempting to get more people to wear make more when things like almost universal outdoor usage is mandated.  Emergency orders/procedures should be two things; exacting and to the point as possible.  If any part gets complicated or questionable it undermines pretty everything else in the order/procedure. 

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

"The coronavirus is spreading too rapidly and too broadly for the U.S. to bring it under control, Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Monday."

[Scott5114]

We humans are doing a better job of destroying what it means to have enlightened and elevated life on this planet than some defective package of XNA that isn't really alive could ever accomplish

The coronavirus was caused by the Northwest Arkansas airport? That's a new one.

[hotdogPi]

We humans are doing a better job of destroying what it means to have enlightened and elevated life on this planet than some defective package of XNA that isn't really alive could ever accomplish

The coronavirus was caused by the Northwest Arkansas airport? That's a new one.

Northwest Arkansas saw a huge spike recently.

[kalvado]

We humans are doing a better job of destroying what it means to have enlightened and elevated life on this planet than some defective package of XNA that isn't really alive could ever accomplish

The coronavirus was caused by the Northwest Arkansas airport? That's a new one.

RNA I assume. That would be Ulawa Airport in Madagascar. Probably he's talking about recent plague epidemics over there.

[US71]

We humans are doing a better job of destroying what it means to have enlightened and elevated life on this planet than some defective package of XNA that isn't really alive could ever accomplish

The coronavirus was caused by the Northwest Arkansas airport? That's a new one.

Well, considering all the people flying in to visit the house of Sam.....

[Max Rockatansky]

We humans are doing a better job of destroying what it means to have enlightened and elevated life on this planet than some defective package of XNA that isn't really alive could ever accomplish

The coronavirus was caused by the Northwest Arkansas airport? That's a new one.

Well, considering all the people flying in to visit the house of Sam.....

Does this all involve the Langoliers and "scaring the little girl"  somehow?

[kphoger]

In Kansas, a statewide mask order is set to take effect at midnight Friday morning.  It apparently will require the wearing of masks in public areas both indoors and outdoors, but draft language is not yet available, and a number of county commissions (including in Sedgwick County) are exploring whether they have the ability to opt out under an amendment to the state emergency management law that was enacted last month as the result of a compromise between the governor and the legislature.

From what I read, the order won't be published until Thursday–the day before it takes effect.  Supposedly, it won't take effect until Friday in order to give businesses time to prepare, but–considering we don't know what the order says exactly–how will they know how to prepare?  I know my company's HR director has already been in my office and didn't say one word about it.

[webny99]

I would imagine the mask order wouldn't apply to businesses that aren't "open to the public", but that can be a bit of an ambiguous phrase.

[kphoger]

A question for those of you who are already under mask orders:

My wife and I are planning to go out to eat for a date on the day this takes effect.  How does wearing a mask in a restaurant work, exactly?

[NWI_Irish96]

A question for those of you who are already under mask orders:

My wife and I are planning to go out to eat for a date on the day this takes effect.  How does wearing a mask in a restaurant work, exactly?

Generally you wear it until after you've ordered your food and your drinks have arrived, then you take it off until you've finished and are ready for the bill and then put it back on.

[route56]

From what I read, the order won't be published until Thursday–the day before it takes effect.  Supposedly, it won't take effect until Friday in order to give businesses time to prepare, but–considering we don't know what the order says exactly–how will they know how to prepare?  I know my company's HR director has already been in my office and didn't say one word about it.

It would likely be along the lines of this Order from Douglas County, Kansas, which take effect tomorrow, July 1.

Basically, this order requires masks indoors and/or where 6-foot physical distancing is not feasible. Masks can be taken off while working in a single-person office or while eating.

Also exempt are the deaf/hard of hearing, and children under 5. The order states that children under 2 should NEVER wear a face covering, as they face a greater risk of suffocating.

[Max Rockatansky]

A question for those of you who are already under mask orders:

My wife and I are planning to go out to eat for a date on the day this takes effect.  How does wearing a mask in a restaurant work, exactly?

Most places make you wear them until you sit down, most are big on standing six feet part from the next group waiting.  The tables have been spaced at least a 8-10 places I've been to.  All the waiters have been wearing masks but not all the cashiers if they are behind a screen of some kind. 

[kphoger]

A question for those of you who are already under mask orders:

My wife and I are planning to go out to eat for a date on the day this takes effect.  How does wearing a mask in a restaurant work, exactly?

Most places make you wear them until you sit down, most are big on standing six feet part from the next group waiting.  The tables have been spaced at least a 8-10 places I've been to.  All the waiters have been wearing masks but not all the cashiers if they are behind a screen of some kind. 

Oh, we've been out to eat a few times in the last couple of months already, so we know what the restaurant situation is like.  Just didn't how, for example, ordering works with masks on.

[GaryV]

Also exempt are the deaf/hard of hearing

Why?  Wouldn't they want to read the lips of the others they are with, and can't because of their masks?

[wxfree]

Brewster County, Texas, now has 130 confirmed cases.  That's where Big Bend National Park is.  When the park re-opened, there were no cases in the county.  Now it's reached 1.4% of the population.  The county is purple on the JHU "confirmed by population" map.  It increased from 85 to 130 in one day.  People complained about parks being closed.  It's true that being in the park can be very lonely and very safe, but what people don't think about is the way there.  They pass through small towns and stop for supplies.  People from all over the country are bringing the virus to Alpine and Terlingua.  There are four ICU beds in the region, covering three counties with a total area the size of Maryland, and larger hospitals are hundreds of miles away.  They need to close the park again.

[Max Rockatansky]

A question for those of you who are already under mask orders:

My wife and I are planning to go out to eat for a date on the day this takes effect.  How does wearing a mask in a restaurant work, exactly?

Most places make you wear them until you sit down, most are big on standing six feet part from the next group waiting.  The tables have been spaced at least a 8-10 places I've been to.  All the waiters have been wearing masks but not all the cashiers if they are behind a screen of some kind. 

Oh, we've been out to eat a few times in the last couple of months already, so we know what the restaurant situation is like.  Just didn't how, for example, ordering works with masks on.

Only one place we frequent (that isn't fast food) requires an order be placed at the cashier stand with masks on.  Other than that one it is pretty much normal once we take our seats and the masks come off.

[ozarkman417]

California has an all the time outdoor rule as well (although exercise and hiking are excluded).  Essentially said provision isn't something that can be enforced.

I'm on the "LockdownSkepticism" sub on Reddit, and people in California say it's never enforced outdoors (although a few people apparently do wear masks outdoors).

That sub seems to not consider scientific data or reliable sources at all. Probably should be banned like the other problematic fake news subs.

I would say "13k members? They have more important matters to worry about", but they banned over 2k subreddits including the_donald, many of which probably have far fewer members just yesterday.

[Roadgeekteen]

0 deaths today in Massachusetts! 

[kalvado]

0 deaths today in Massachusetts! 

One day Finland had -1 (negative one) covid deaths. MA still has room for improvement!

[kphoger]

One day Finland had -1 (negative one) covid deaths.

I can only assume that someone woke up down in the morgue.  But, because that death had already been recorded on a previous day, it had to be removed from the current day's tally instead.

[Henry]

It's going to be very interesting to see what happens on the Fourth, as many places have had to either cancel or scale back their plans.

[GaryV]

One day Finland had -1 (negative one) covid deaths.

I can only assume that someone woke up down in the morgue.  But, because that death had already been recorded on a previous day, it had to be removed from the current day's tally instead.

More likely a death that had previously been recorded as COVID was redesignated as not-COVID related on a day where there were no other COVID deaths to subtract it from.

[kphoger]

One day Finland had -1 (negative one) covid deaths.

I can only assume that someone woke up down in the morgue.  But, because that death had already been recorded on a previous day, it had to be removed from the current day's tally instead.

More likely a death that had previously been recorded as COVID was redesignated as not-COVID related on a day where there were no other COVID deaths to subtract it from.

Oh, come on!  You think they'd admit they made a mistake without someone waking up in the morgue?

[Eth]

One day Finland had -1 (negative one) covid deaths.

I can only assume that someone woke up down in the morgue.  But, because that death had already been recorded on a previous day, it had to be removed from the current day's tally instead.

More likely a death that had previously been recorded as COVID was redesignated as not-COVID related on a day where there were no other COVID deaths to subtract it from.

Oh, come on!  You think they'd admit they made a mistake without someone waking up in the morgue?

Well, it was outside the US, so that at least makes the scenario plausible.