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Large universities not served by Interstate

Started by Dirt Roads, December 31, 2020, 09:14:08 PM

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Dirt Roads

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2020, 05:46:45 PM
Interstate 69 and Indiana 37 are now the quickest way between Indianapolis and Evansville. But according to Google Maps I-70 and US 41 via Indiana 641 is only eight miles and 15 minutes longer (and with the upcoming 2021 closure in Martinsville that may be enough to close the gap.)
Quote from: hbelkins on December 31, 2020, 06:26:48 PM
The primary argument against building I-69 was that a decent alternative (I-70 and US 41) already existed. And that was before IN 641.

Quote from: SkyPesos on December 31, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
I-69 also serve Bloomington, which is where Indiana University is. I think Bloomington was also one of the largest cities in the US not served by Interstate before I-69. So unless the people opposing think that Bloomington is not important enough for an interstate and that the IN 37 expressway was enough, they probably only thought about Indy-Evansville traffic.

Though this brings up an interesting potential new thread topic: What are some large universities not served by Interstate, or even a 4 lane expressway?


Dirt Roads

I've always felt that the University of Pittsburgh was not well served by the highway system in Pittsburgh, given its relative close proximity to the Parkway East (I-376) and even I-279.  I'm sure that there are other large universities in urban areas that are worse off.

thspfc

Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.

hotdogPi

#3
Cornell (Ithaca, NY), no 4-lane connection
Ohio University (Athens, OH)
Appalachian State University (Boone, NC)

(They're easy to see on a 2016 or 2020 election county map – they're all blue counties surrounded by red counties.)

EDIT: University of New Hampshire has no 4-lane connection, either.

For fun, read this thread by NE2 (50K+ urban areas not connected to the Interstate system by four-lane highways). Some people just don't get it.
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US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

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Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.

2nd largest in terms of what?
Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

Dirt Roads

Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.

That's probably not what the OP was thinking, but it looks like the TX-6 freeway doesn't connect to any other freeways in either direction.

thspfc

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 31, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.

2nd largest in terms of what?
Enrollment.

thspfc

Quote from: Dirt Roads on December 31, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.

That's probably not what the OP was thinking, but it looks like the TX-6 freeway doesn't connect to any other freeways in either direction.
You are the OP. So you're talking in third person?  :-D

Dirt Roads

Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
You are the OP. So you're talking in third person?  :-D

Quote from: SkyPesos on December 31, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
I-69 also serve Bloomington, which is where Indiana University is. I think Bloomington was also one of the largest cities in the US not served by Interstate before I-69. So unless the people opposing think that Bloomington is not important enough for an interstate and that the IN 37 expressway was enough, they probably only thought about Indy-Evansville traffic.

Though this brings up an interesting potential new thread topic: What are some large universities not served by Interstate, or even a 4 lane expressway?

Wish I were the OP, but SkyPesos should get full credit for this thread.  This came from the "Different Routes between 2 Metro Areas" thread.

Dirt Roads

Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on December 31, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
That's probably not what the OP was thinking, but it looks like the TX-6 freeway doesn't connect to any other freeways in either direction.

In the same vein, Clemson University is not well served by I-85 and the Tiger Parkway freeway (US-123) drops out through the western part of Greenville before connecting with I-385 downtown.

hotdogPi

Quote from: Dirt Roads on December 31, 2020, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 31, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
Texas A&M is the second largest university in the country, and it does not have an Interstate within 50 miles.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on December 31, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
That's probably not what the OP was thinking, but it looks like the TX-6 freeway doesn't connect to any other freeways in either direction.

In the same vein, Clemson University is not well served by I-85 and the Tiger Parkway freeway (US-123) drops out through the western part of Greenville before connecting with I-385 downtown.

US 76 is only 10 miles to I-85 and 4+ lanes the entire way.
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Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

3467

Indiana concocted the greater 69 and Bloomington to justify the freeway because 8 miles was well.....it was good enough to win the lawsuits.
Illinois does have at least a 4 lane to all the major Universities. Western Illinois was the last with 67 though it really isn't major anymore
Northwestern Loyola DePaul and University of Chicago are between the Expressways and LSD. Loyola just North Northwestern even farther but the Edens runs near Evanston.
All have transit access . Most of the major downstate schools also have Amtrak.
Quite a few have commercial air service.

Road Hog

Texas A&M might actually be the winner in the clubhouse. TX-6 is the major highway thru Aggieland. US 190 doesn't particularly lead anywhere.

Hot Rod Hootenanny

Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

Hot Rod Hootenanny

While we're at it, how close to an interstate does an OSU have to be to be served by said interstate?  :hmmm:

Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

kernals12

What's the threshold here, how far does a university need to be from an on ramp to be considered "not served"?

hotdogPi

Quote from: kernals12 on December 31, 2020, 10:19:58 PM
What's the threshold here, how far does a university need to be from an on ramp to be considered "not served"?

There seem to be two criteria here:

1. No 4-lane connection to the Interstate system. Cornell and UNH qualify here.
2. Really far away. Ohio University is 42 miles from I-77, and Appalachian State University is 44 miles from I-40, but both have a 4-lane connection.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

Road Hog

"Large university" also needs to be defined. Are we talking Division I status or an arbitrary enrollment, say 10K?

hotdogPi

Quote from: Road Hog on December 31, 2020, 10:27:47 PM
"Large university" also needs to be defined. Are we talking Division I status or an arbitrary enrollment, say 10K?

I would go by enrollment. Division I limits it to sports universities, leaving out the ones known for their academics.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

kernals12

Quote from: 1 on December 31, 2020, 10:24:21 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on December 31, 2020, 10:19:58 PM
What's the threshold here, how far does a university need to be from an on ramp to be considered "not served"?

There seem to be two criteria here:

1. No 4-lane connection to the Interstate system. Cornell and UNH qualify here.
2. Really far away. Ohio University is 42 miles from I-77, and Appalachian State University is 44 miles from I-40, but both have a 4-lane connection.

I guess UCONN then, it's 8 miles on 2 lane roads to I-84. One time, I got a flat tire on a torn up curb. What could've been


CoreySamson

I think these universities would count for this question:
University of Georgia, Athens
Oklahoma State University, Stillwater
University of Colorado, Boulder (pretty far away from I-25)
Utah State University, Logan
Mississippi State University, Starkville

The first four are somewhat debatable, but I think MSSU could be one of the winners of this thread, as it is really far from I-55 (or I-20)
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gonealookin

Washington State University in Pullman (enrollment around 20K) and the University of Idaho in Moscow (10K) are about 6 miles apart, and roughly 75 miles from I-90 in Spokane.

Max Rockatansky

Fresno State at 25k enrolled is off of CA 168 and not anywhere close to an Interstate. 

DTComposer

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 31, 2020, 11:44:46 PM
Fresno State at 25k enrolled is off of CA 168 and not anywhere close to an Interstate. 

I'd put Fresno State at about 50 miles from I-5. Others in California include UC Santa Barbara (24K enrollment, about 80 miles from I-405) and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (21K, about 90 miles from I-5).

kernals12

Why are we limiting this to interstates? Are non-interstate freeways just not good enough for you?



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