Unpopular Route Opinions

[interstatefan990]

My unpopular opinion: Some US Routes are dangerous. Example: US 50 in Nevada. An undivided two lane highway with a speed limit of up to 70 miles per hour, faster than all freeways in some states. One accidental bump of the steering wheel or boredom-induced drowsiness (especially on desolate, rural stretches) on your part or oncoming traffic's part, and it's game over for the both of you. A lot of other US routes are similar. I would much better prefer to take a divided, controlled access freeway. Before you call me stupid: Yes I am aware that US 50 is in the middle of nowhere and quite likely the loneliest road in America, many state routes and other routes are also undivided with high speed limits, the US highway system predates the Interstate system, head-on collisions aren't all that common, not all US routes are like this, this isn't a new issue, this country prioritizes speed over safety, and Interstates are much less scenic and historic.  Just giving my take as a safety-minded driver. You do you. Besides, it partially explains my username. 

That would make all two lane highways in rural areas dangerous.

My point exactly! That's just their nature.  Except with the US Route system, many roads are, for the most part, only used by drivers who are actively choosing to use that route over an alternative. Why not just use I-80? Or, in the case of US 89, why not just connect with I-70 and then use I-15 into Provo? I'm referring to rural areas here, but granted, there are exceptions where US routes are preferable to an Interstate for reasons other than historic significance and scenery. Do any notable mentions come to mind for you?

[Max Rockatansky]

My unpopular opinion: Some US Routes are dangerous. Example: US 50 in Nevada. An undivided two lane highway with a speed limit of up to 70 miles per hour, faster than all freeways in some states. One accidental bump of the steering wheel or boredom-induced drowsiness (especially on desolate, rural stretches) on your part or oncoming traffic's part, and it's game over for the both of you. A lot of other US routes are similar. I would much better prefer to take a divided, controlled access freeway. Before you call me stupid: Yes I am aware that US 50 is in the middle of nowhere and quite likely the loneliest road in America, many state routes and other routes are also undivided with high speed limits, the US highway system predates the Interstate system, head-on collisions aren't all that common, not all US routes are like this, this isn't a new issue, this country prioritizes speed over safety, and Interstates are much less scenic and historic.  Just giving my take as a safety-minded driver. You do you. Besides, it partially explains my username. 

That would make all two lane highways in rural areas dangerous.

I've been thinking about it and I would probably nominate El Camino Del Diablo as the most lonely road I've ever been on.  The Mojave Road is pretty up there too but that has a larger OHV following. 

Regarding US Routes aside from the Coronado Trail of US 191 I can't think of any would truly be in the stratosphere of what is "lonely"  but conventional road standards.  The Sierra Scenic Byway comes to mind off the top of my head which is fairly conventional but so rarely traveled that you would be on your own if a mechanical failure were to occur.  I don't think any part of US 50 in Nevada is even very far removed from easy cell phone coverage, it certainly is well patrolled.

Regardless US 50 in Nevada is quiet but definitely not anything too different from US 95, US 93 and US 6.  I would say US 62/180 in Texas is even more desolate. 

[interstatefan990]

My unpopular opinion: Some US Routes are dangerous.

Imagine if fritzowl used that as a reason for his plans...

That's...actually pretty much the reason. It's a long-form revenge tour for a bad experience Fritz had one a two-lane road once.

Not following here. Anyone wanna give me a link that will explain things? LOL

[hotdogPi]

My unpopular opinion: Some US Routes are dangerous.

Imagine if fritzowl used that as a reason for his plans...

That's...actually pretty much the reason. It's a long-form revenge tour for a bad experience Fritz had one a two-lane road once.

Not following here. Anyone wanna give me a link that will explain things? LOL

It is primarily the narrow mountainous two-lane roads that need to be upgraded. On some windy roads, I have nearly been whacked by people in the other direction rounding a curve. Those are the two-lane roads that are the most dangerous and need replacing.

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[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

[Flint1979]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

[SkyPesos]

Not following here. Anyone wanna give me a link that will explain things? LOL

Go into the fictional highways section of this forums, then find a thread called "Compilation: FritzOwl in one thread". That should explain most of it.

[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built. 

[Flint1979]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

But sometimes he'll actually answer you with how he would build something.  Those some of the best responses in his thread. 

That said, I sure would like a taste of what it feels like that be that level of self assured.  It is literally impossible to make a dent in questioning Fritz's logic. 

[Flint1979]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

But sometimes he'll actually answer you with how he would build something.  Those some of the best responses in his thread. 

That said, I sure would like a taste of what it feels like that be that level of self assured.  It is literally impossible to make a dent in questioning Fritz's logic.

The funny thing is that he thinks just drawing lines and putting Interstate highway logos on the map is accomplishing anything. Like no one has been able to get a road to go through the Darien Gap but oh Fritz has one going through there so according to him it can happen LMAO.

[interstatefan990]

^^
I was gonna say I might be guilty of a little fritzowling, but I don't care if the road has a speed limit of 50 MPH or below, or if there is literally anything other than two measly closely-spaced yellow pavement lines separating me and oncoming traffic hurtling towards me. Even a center left turn lane or more spaced-apart center lines and I'm all clear. Also, I'm not advocating for new interstates to be built. I did, however, have a scary experience once with an undivided two-laner, but it's not the entire reason I don't like them.

[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

But sometimes he'll actually answer you with how he would build something.  Those some of the best responses in his thread. 

That said, I sure would like a taste of what it feels like that be that level of self assured.  It is literally impossible to make a dent in questioning Fritz's logic.

The funny thing is that he thinks just drawing lines and putting Interstate highway logos on the map is accomplishing anything. Like no one has been able to get a road to go through the Darien Gap but oh Fritz has one going through there so according to him it can happen LMAO.

That's what I mean, the concepts that are normal to the rest of humanity simply don't apply to Fritz.  He truly doesn't understand why everyone wouldn't want his vision for the world and probably isn't capable of doing so. 

[interstatefan990]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

But sometimes he'll actually answer you with how he would build something.  Those some of the best responses in his thread. 

That said, I sure would like a taste of what it feels like that be that level of self assured.  It is literally impossible to make a dent in questioning Fritz's logic.

The funny thing is that he thinks just drawing lines and putting Interstate highway logos on the map is accomplishing anything. Like no one has been able to get a road to go through the Darien Gap but oh Fritz has one going through there so according to him it can happen LMAO.

I'm guessing he's an advocate of the Trans-Pacific Highway to make Hawaii accessible from the East Coast mainland? Or, better yet, the Trans-Siberian Highway to connect Alaska and Russia, making London accessible by car? One can dream!

[SEWIGuy]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

He is the only person that takes it seriously.  Attacking them doesn't change his mind.  I have no idea why you bother.

[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

I kind of take a semi-humorous approach to it.  The dude is so detached from reality that it's kind of fun to push him towards even weirder concepts or ask for an explanation how something absurd would be built.

I know it. I keep asking him things and he always replies with what his plans are and avoids whatever the question was.

But sometimes he'll actually answer you with how he would build something.  Those some of the best responses in his thread. 

That said, I sure would like a taste of what it feels like that be that level of self assured.  It is literally impossible to make a dent in questioning Fritz's logic.

The funny thing is that he thinks just drawing lines and putting Interstate highway logos on the map is accomplishing anything. Like no one has been able to get a road to go through the Darien Gap but oh Fritz has one going through there so according to him it can happen LMAO.

I'm guessing he's an advocate of the Trans-Pacific Highway to make Hawaii accessible from the East Coast mainland? Or, better yet, the Trans-Siberian Highway to connect Alaska and Russia, making London accessible by car? One can dream!

Off the top of my head he's only purposed an Interstate over the Bering Strait...and many glaciers.  North Korea came into play at one point also. 

He didn't bite on the Space Elevator and folding Space Time concepts I was hinting at previously. I don't think he's thought of a reliable source for wide distribution of Spice Melange.   

[Flint1979]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

He is the only person that takes it seriously.  Attacking them doesn't change his mind.  I have no idea why you bother.

Why I bother? Probably because this is a forum and people comment on forums.

[Max Rockatansky]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

He is the only person that takes it seriously.  Attacking them doesn't change his mind.  I have no idea why you bother.

Why I bother? Probably because this is a forum and people comment on forums.

A lot of the time when the forum is dead or I just need a laugh I look to see what Fritz has been up to.

[Flint1979]

Basically Fritz hates fun roads because he thinks they are unsafe and wants to turn them into boring Interstates.  Where it gets weird is when you realize that Fritz doesn't understand what money is and that he is likely is operating on a different plain of reality than most of us. 

So basically whenever someone purposes an outlandish Interstate concept it generally will be categorized as "FritzOwling."

Where it gets insanely bad is that Fritz is dead serious about all of this. That's why I attack his stupid plans as much as I do.

He is the only person that takes it seriously.  Attacking them doesn't change his mind.  I have no idea why you bother.

Why I bother? Probably because this is a forum and people comment on forums.

A lot of the time when the forum is dead or I just need a laugh I look to see what Fritz has been up to.

I'll usually get around to a post of his that I hadn't seen in the morning. I'll see that the thread's been posted in by him and usually can get a laugh from that. I'm basically laughing at him not really attacking him. I swear when I asked him to show me his Detroit maps once he had an Interstate running through the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel and Ambassador Bridge LMAO. Then he's got the Lodge, Davison and Southfield as Interstate's. Something that MDOT wouldn't even think of applying for.

You know how I-375 has been mentioned for removal. Well I'll get him going by saying that I-375 should be removed and I-75 should be re-routed onto I-94 and I-96 and the former I-75 between I-94 and I-96 should be removed too. The Lodge south of Grand Blvd. should be removed and become a surface street.

[kenarmy]

anyway back to the subject..
- US 19 should go to Sarasota, not 301. That bothers me
- US 278 is very extra.. It's a child route but it just hops around being an indirect 78 for most of its route and it's concurrencies the further west you get are kind of ridiculous.
- US 280 is the only important branch of 80.
- US 36 should go southeast from Uhrichsville, not 250. Why not give 36 a southerly curve?
- US 411 is underrated.

[Flint1979]

How about the US highways that are basically a bunch of state highways combined? Not just one state highway like taking US-25 and making OH-25 out of it but like say one corridor uses a route and then shifts and does a lot of shifting. A good example of what I'm talking about is like US-52 in a lot of places, I'm not saying delete US-52 but just saying that's kind of what I'm talking about.

[SkyPesos]

anyway back to the subject..
- US 36 should go southeast from Uhrichsville, not 250. Why not give 36 a southerly curve?

US 250 goes southeast to Richmond, and US 36 is almost a straight E-W route. Looks weird shifting its alignment into another direction just to have a 2dus replace a 3dus; there will be a couple of shorter routes between two points on that route. This is why I extended US 36 over US 22 instead of US 250 in my fictional ideas, because it's almost a straight shot east from there to NYC

[kenarmy]

I literally can't sleep at night knowing US 206 is 0.8 miles away from connecting with its parent route.

[SkyPesos]

I literally can't sleep at night knowing US 206 is 0.8 miles away from connecting with its parent route.

There's also US 136 terminating 2 miles from US 36. Think it has been proposed before for US 136 to be cosigned on I-465 for it to meet its parent.

And unrelated note, I found this old thread titled "Indirect US Routes" that you may be interested in looking at.

[Scott5114]

He didn't bite on the Space Elevator and folding Space Time concepts I was hinting at previously. I don't think he's thought of a reliable source for wide distribution of Spice Melange.   

Hot tip: Try posting proposals to demolish a freeway or decommission an Interstate in his thread. I did that once and got a reply chock-full of typos, as if the thought of removing an interstate made him so overcome with emotion he couldn't operate the keyboard properly.