Rumble strips - do you hate them?

[SectorZ]

Most local roads - the ones that have the most bike lanes - are payed for through property taxes, that everyone pays whether they use bicycles, motor vehicles, plug in electrics, or just feet.

Not true, those are paid for by people that actually own property, which lines up fairly well with people that own vehicles. The kind of bicycle hipsters that use the lanes also tend not to have property and therefore don't shoulder much of the property tax.

I must have imagined owning my houses for the past 16 years.

Here's a novel idea, stop stereotyping literally every effing group of people you come across, and life might get a little simpler for you.

I fail to see how that makes life any simpler. It is true, there is a strong positive correlation between home ownership and car ownership. There is a negative correlation between renting and car ownership. Sorry if that offends you but that's just how it is. 

You don't understand how life becomes simpler by stopping hating on people that choose to live different lives than you?

[HighwayStar]

Most local roads - the ones that have the most bike lanes - are payed for through property taxes, that everyone pays whether they use bicycles, motor vehicles, plug in electrics, or just feet.

Not true, those are paid for by people that actually own property, which lines up fairly well with people that own vehicles. The kind of bicycle hipsters that use the lanes also tend not to have property and therefore don't shoulder much of the property tax.

I must have imagined owning my houses for the past 16 years.

Here's a novel idea, stop stereotyping literally every effing group of people you come across, and life might get a little simpler for you.

I fail to see how that makes life any simpler. It is true, there is a strong positive correlation between home ownership and car ownership. There is a negative correlation between renting and car ownership. Sorry if that offends you but that's just how it is. 

You don't understand how life becomes simpler by stopping hating on people that choose to live different lives than you?

No one is "hating" on anyone, that is your imagination running away with you. I don't want bicycles clogging the road I am trying to drive on, and that in no way makes life more complicated. Actually, without the bicycles in the way, it would be less complicated. 

[SectorZ]

Most local roads - the ones that have the most bike lanes - are payed for through property taxes, that everyone pays whether they use bicycles, motor vehicles, plug in electrics, or just feet.

Not true, those are paid for by people that actually own property, which lines up fairly well with people that own vehicles. The kind of bicycle hipsters that use the lanes also tend not to have property and therefore don't shoulder much of the property tax.

I must have imagined owning my houses for the past 16 years.

Here's a novel idea, stop stereotyping literally every effing group of people you come across, and life might get a little simpler for you.

I fail to see how that makes life any simpler. It is true, there is a strong positive correlation between home ownership and car ownership. There is a negative correlation between renting and car ownership. Sorry if that offends you but that's just how it is. 

You don't understand how life becomes simpler by stopping hating on people that choose to live different lives than you?

No one is "hating" on anyone, that is your imagination running away with you. I don't want bicycles clogging the road I am trying to drive on, and that in no way makes life more complicated. Actually, without the bicycles in the way, it would be less complicated. 

So you want to ban a legal activity I take part in? Got it.

[kphoger]

I fail to see how that makes life any simpler. It is true, there is a strong positive correlation between home ownership and car ownership. There is a negative correlation between renting and car ownership. Sorry if that offends you but that's just how it is. 

Again:  even if that's true, it doesn't matter.  Owning a car doesn't mean a person doesn't ride a bike.  All that matters for your argument is if the people actually riding their bikes are paying for the road.  Non-car-ownership and non-property-ownership are not statistical proxies for bicycle-riding.

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

I don't care if bikes pay taxes or not. The vast majority of roads are not safe for them and they shouldn't be riding on them.

[hotdogPi]

I don't care if bikes pay taxes or not. The vast majority of roads are not safe for them and they shouldn't be riding on them.

1. The vast majority of roads are residential streets.
2. SectorZ has been on almost every single numbered road in New Hampshire where bikes are not prohibited, and I believe most of Vermont, too. No issues.

[kphoger]

I don't care if bikes pay taxes or not. The vast majority of roads are not safe for them and they shouldn't be riding on them.

1. The vast majority of roads are residential streets.
2. SectorZ has been on almost every single numbered road in New Hampshire where bikes are not prohibited, and I believe most of Vermont, too. No issues.

3. Bikes don't pay for the roads.  Neither do cars.  People do.  And a great number of them own both a bicycle and a car.

4. Roads are safe for bicycles.  It's drivers who pay cyclists no mind that make roads dangerous.

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

4. Roads are safe for bicycles.  It's drivers who pay cyclists no mind that make roads dangerous.

In a perfect world, yes. But you yourself admit that mixing drivers and bikes just isn't safe. If you decide to bike on a high speed road you are taking your life into your hands

[kphoger]

4. Roads are safe for bicycles.  It's drivers who pay cyclists no mind that make roads dangerous.

In a perfect world, yes. But you yourself admit that mixing drivers and bikes just isn't safe. If you decide to bike on a high speed road you are taking your life into your hands

I do?

Hmmm, if I did, then perhaps I was in error.  I only admit that mixing self-absorbed, inattentive drivers with cocky, lane-hogging cyclists is dangerous.  Attentive, considerate drivers and attentive, considerate cyclists can coexist perfectly well–both on city streets and on the highway.

[tolbs17]

I'm guessing this is how rumble strips were made in the 50s-60s.

[kphoger]

I'm guessing this is how rumble strips were made in the 50s-60s.

Probably not too far off from the truth.

[HighwayStar]

Looking through a 1960 Highway Engineering text I cannot find any reference to how rumble strips were constructed.

[Mr. Matté]

Have rumble strips been around that long? I thought one of the experiments done on the abandoned PA Turnpike in the 1980s was the testing of rumble strips for use on roads.

[Rothman]

Have rumble strips been around that long? I thought one of the experiments done on the abandoned PA Turnpike in the 1980s was the testing of rumble strips for use on roads.

They existed before then.  Kentucky parkways had them before toll booths in the late 1970s.

[kphoger]

Have rumble strips been around that long? I thought one of the experiments done on the abandoned PA Turnpike in the 1980s was the testing of rumble strips for use on roads.

The picture I posted is from the early 1950s.

[jemacedo9]

Have rumble strips been around that long? I thought one of the experiments done on the abandoned PA Turnpike in the 1980s was the testing of rumble strips for use on roads.

The rumble strips tested by the PA Turnpike were the strips running on the right shoulder.  It was called the SNAP project (Sonic Nap Alert Pattern).  https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/pavement/rumble_strips/effectiveness/state_pa.cfm

The rumble strips that cross a full lane, such as approaching toll booths, were in place before then.

[kphoger]

Pavement edges that "sing" a warning when motorists veer too near the side of the roadway will border north and south lanes of the proposed Garden State Parkway in New Jersey.  Three-foot strips of corrugated concrete which cause a humming sound when driven over will be a safety feature of the 165-mile expressway.  The corrugations act as reflectors for increased visibility both day and night.  The tooled strips are also being used on other New Jersey highways for reflecting curbs and as a replacement for the center line in two-lane roads.

[tolbs17]

Who likes this placement of rumble strips.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7206222,-78.0056324,3a,75y,356.38h,71.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdGznm0s5eNeguKjcGUtLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[kphoger]

Who likes this placement of rumble strips.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7206222,-78.0056324,3a,75y,356.38h,71.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdGznm0s5eNeguKjcGUtLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

To me, that's perfect.  The wider shoulder has a gap between edge line and rumble strip, where as the narrower shoulder does not.

[tolbs17]

Who likes this placement of rumble strips.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7206222,-78.0056324,3a,75y,356.38h,71.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdGznm0s5eNeguKjcGUtLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

To me, that's perfect.  The wider shoulder has a gap between edge line and rumble strip, where as the narrower shoulder does not.

Or is this better?

[Max Rockatansky]

Would you prefer Botts Dots?

[tolbs17]

Would you prefer Botts Dots?

No.

[kphoger]

Who likes this placement of rumble strips.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7206222,-78.0056324,3a,75y,356.38h,71.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdGznm0s5eNeguKjcGUtLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

To me, that's perfect.  The wider shoulder has a gap between edge line and rumble strip, where as the narrower shoulder does not.

Or is this better?

No, of course not.  Read the bolded phrase.

[tolbs17]

Who likes this placement of rumble strips.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7206222,-78.0056324,3a,75y,356.38h,71.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdGznm0s5eNeguKjcGUtLTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

To me, that's perfect.  The wider shoulder has a gap between edge line and rumble strip, where as the narrower shoulder does not.

Or is this better?

No, of course not.  Read the bolded phrase.

NCDOT did that in the mid 2000s

[stevashe]

Would you prefer Botts Dots?

No.

I prefer profiled plastic lines, which are WSDOT's replacement for both Botts Dots on lane lines, and some rumble strips. You can see the lines in that streetview link used botts dots before repaving if you switch to 2015 or earlier.