Cities/municipalities with the worst roads?

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kphoger

Quote from: 23skidoo on December 12, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Not to get too political, but I think Republican-dominated Michigan legislature's unwillingness to do anything for liberal Ann Arbor might have something to do with it. Of course, Ann Arbor's anti-car attitude doesn't help matters either. I think the logic is that if you make traffic in Ann Arbor so bad, you'll choose to live in a cramped, overpriced apartment downtown rather than spend 2 hours commuting five miles.

I don't live in Michigan so I'm not hip to their political jive, but I have great doubts either one of those two suppositions is true.  I have a hard time imagining state politicians saying, Should we spend money on our 6th-largest city's roads?  Nah, there are a bunch of Liberals over there.  Similarly, I have a hard time imagining local politicians saying, Should we maintain our streets?  Nah, let's just let them go to crap, then our transit utopia will finally be realized.  I mean, I get that it's really fun to blame politics for stuff, but I just don't think that's at all what's happening.

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webny99

Anyone who has been to Michigan knows that the streets of Detroit and Flint aren't exactly paved with gold either; if anything the lack of investment in the transportation network is a statewide problem and nothing specific to Ann Arbor.

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Flint1979

Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:24:51 PM
Anyone who has been to Michigan knows that the streets of Detroit and Flint aren't exactly paved with gold either; if anything the lack of investment in the transportation network is a statewide problem and nothing specific to Ann Arbor.
Genesee and Wayne Counties are the worst as far as road conditions go. Everywhere else it's hit or miss some areas have better roads than others. I think the western side of Michigan has better roads than the eastern side.

Flint1979

Quote from: kphoger on December 14, 2020, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: 23skidoo on December 12, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Not to get too political, but I think Republican-dominated Michigan legislature's unwillingness to do anything for liberal Ann Arbor might have something to do with it. Of course, Ann Arbor's anti-car attitude doesn't help matters either. I think the logic is that if you make traffic in Ann Arbor so bad, you'll choose to live in a cramped, overpriced apartment downtown rather than spend 2 hours commuting five miles.

I don't live in Michigan so I'm not hip to their political jive, but I have great doubts either one of those two suppositions is true.  I have a hard time imagining state politicians saying, Should we spend money on our 6th-largest city's roads?  Nah, there are a bunch of Liberals over there.  Similarly, I have a hard time imagining local politicians saying, Should we maintain our streets?  Nah, let's just let them go to crap, then our transit utopia will finally be realized.  I mean, I get that it's really fun to blame politics for stuff, but I just don't think that's at all what's happening.
It's not. Politics really don't have a lot to do with who gets their roads fixed and who doesn't. Michigan has been in a budget crisis for a lot of years and the harsh winters beat up the roads pretty bad. Other states that surround Michigan do a better job at maintaining their roads than Michigan does though. Ohio and Indiana are two states that have better roads.

Flint1979

I was on a stretch of Tittabawassee Road along the Saginaw and Midland county line the other day and the further west you go on Tittabawassee the worse it gets. Mainly the part between Meridian and Homer/Merrill Roads.

It's gotten worse since GSV has been down it and since then there are signs up saying, "deteriorating road" so at least the county has acknowledged it needs to be fixed. If I'm out in that area I usually take Frost Road which is about halfway between Tittabawassee and M-46. I don't think I'll take Tittabawassee when I'm out there I'll opt for Frost, LaPorte, Freeland, M-46 or Swan Creek Road first.

Here's a GSV of a pretty bad part of Tittabawassee.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4815265,-84.3451312,3a,75y,264.42h,94.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8K8ddeWR1EIFA6LyZ4lQkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

OCGuy81

Portland....effing....Oregon.

That city will not rest until they have all the roads torn out (except the ones exclusively for buses) and replaced with bike paths.

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Long Grove, IL - for almost single-handedly destroying hopes for the IL-53 extension.

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Flint1979

I-69 going through Flint. The stretch just west of I-475 is especially bad.

Skye

Norwood, OH (Hamilton Co.) not only has bad roads but bad street signs as well.



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