Non-linear routes

Started by index, May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM

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For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...

SH 165 in Texas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165

And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z

If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.

Edit: Ideally, routes should be contiguous. If a broken-up route though, were to have a segment with multiple forks/paths, then it could count. But I'm not looking for plain old broken up, non-contiguous routes, or spurs from routes that don't have an equal status to the main route. There's tons of those out there.



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How are I-95 (NJ, eastern/western spur), I-270 (MD), I-480 (OH), and I-670 (OH) signed? Their internal designations distinguish them, but they wouldn't be known to the general public.
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Quote from: 1 on May 05, 2021, 08:42:33 AM
How are I-95 (NJ, eastern/western spur), I-270 (MD), I-480 (OH), and I-670 (OH) signed? Their internal designations distinguish them, but they wouldn't be known to the general public.
I'm not sure about I-95
I-270 Spur is signed as I-270 Spur on BGS. The op excludes bannered or suffixed routes, so this wouldn't count
I-480 is signed as TO I-271 N and TO I-480 W on BGS, but the blue mile markers sign that stretch as I-480N.
I-670 may look like a split route at its interchange with I-71, but half of those are ramps, and the mainline splits per direction, so it's like having a very wide median, which I don't count.

Mapmikey

Quote from: index on May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...

SH 165 in Texas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165

And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z

If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.



What is meant by 'special routes'?   Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'

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Quote from: Mapmikey on May 05, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
What is meant by 'special routes'?   Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'

Bannered routes, such as "1 Alternate".
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M-108 in Mackinaw City (now decommissioned) used to have 3 legs, before the Mackinac Bridge was built.

Ned Weasel

Does Interstate 710 count?
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Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
Why would that count? Many other routes have two segments.
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Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
I guess it could count, but I'm looking for contiguous routes. I should update the original post to clarify that.

Max Rockatansky

Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.

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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
Why would that count? Many other routes have two segments.

I was referring to the spurs.
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Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?

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Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?
If that counts than the NYS thruway and PA Turnpikes also count.
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OCGuy81

Would CA-39 count?  I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.

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Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Would CA-39 count?  I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.


See original post. Nope, it's just a route with two discontiguous, but linear segments. I am looking for examples, if they exist, of a route layout like TX SH 165 where the route has multiple forks/paths with equal status (no bannered/special routes) to the main routing.



Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?
If that counts than the NYS thruway and PA Turnpikes also count.
The NYS Thruway's name implies a single route but it's managed like a system so that probably wouldn't count. The H.E. Bailey wouldn't count as its spur doesn't have equal footing to the main route. Imagine the criteria like this, if I-35E and 35W were to instead be jointly designated I-35. Basically, split routes without the suffixing. Rejoining not necessary but allowed.

Maybe the situation I'm looking for is completely unique to that one highway in Texas, as it's already enough of an oddball, in which case this thread won't produce any meaningful result.No, there's more.

JoePCool14

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.

Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?

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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.

Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Probably Utah Route 900 and 901, which are a bunch of random dirt tracks in the desert. Some stretches aren't even roads at all.

Can't think of any PA examples. I guess I-676 counts since the ramps to I-95 and connection to the Ben Franklin Bridge are both I-676.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.

Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?

Probably the 900 range ungraded nuke roads.  Corco recently did those, if he's out there I'm sure he can chime in with greater detail. 

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Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Would CA-39 count?  I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.

There are a lot of those in California.  Some of the others that come to mind as not being completed:

-  CA 190
-  CA 178
-  CA 168
-  CA 169

Some others have multiple segment like:

-  Technically CA 180 and CA 120 even though the Park Service signs them as through routes.
-  CA 146

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Quote from: Mapmikey on May 05, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: index on May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...

SH 165 in Texas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165

And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z

If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.



What is meant by 'special routes'?   Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'
Doing some digging for myself, I found another one and probably an example of what you were talking about: VA SR 217. I take it you knew about this before since you're the one with the vahighways page and a lot of you all around this sort of info are part of the US Roads WikiProject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_highways_serving_Virginia_state_institutions
Looking on GSV, you can see the lack of linearity, since every road on the facility shares the same designation.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8273525,-81.5081497,3a,75y,12.89h,88.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7UvqrZHrpfBWj-EYXDBKuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
While still on 217, it branches out into two more segments with equal status. No special routing.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8319499,-81.5112806,3a,39.5y,346.96h,88.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLl7P1yv3HKW6yV62GEDRJg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Here's the list on that to save anyone any questions about what they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_serving_Utah_state_parks_and_institutions#320
I kind of feel inclined to make a google My Maps outlining all of the non-linear routes. Time will tell if I actually do that.

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Just a reminder that US 6, 49, 50, and 98 are superior to your fave routes :)


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I-465 used to fit this category, but then one segment got renumbered to 865.
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Quote from: kenarmy on May 05, 2021, 12:17:49 PM
My favorite  :) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_State_Route_20
That's still linear, just in a weird shape. In this context, I don't mean linear as in a straight line, but linear as in, one single routing to follow.

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Old State Highway 5 in Washington, before the 1964 renumbering, had multiple branches. I don't know how it was signed.

CT 145 was shaped like a broken squash racket until 1963: a loop with a northward spur, and a 3-way intersection with itself.
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