People drive too slow in the left lane!

Started by tolbs17, July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM

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jeffandnicole

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Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 06:28:25 PM
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Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
And if the road is so empty what does it matter what lane I am in..WHO am I blocking?? As long as it's not the left half of the road what's the big deal?


I operate under the assumption that, at some point, there will be a vehicle that I hadn't noticed.  Maybe I go too long between checking rear view mirror checks, or maybe someone is coming up really fast, or maybe someone just recently got on the highway and I hadn't seen him yet–whatever.  And, when that happens (not if), I intend to be in the right lane, so he can pass on my left.

It's the same reason I use my turn signal even when I don't think there's anyone around to care.  Because, every once in a while, there's someone in my blind spot and it prevents an accident.

Well with that logic, someone may eventually come into the right lane from an entrance even if the road is empty. On my ideal hypothetical road, there would be 5 lanes on each side, the left lane would be reserved for passing, the right lane would be reserved for entering and exiting only. Once on the highway, you have to move to one of the center 3 lanes. The rule would be "keep centered" the 3 middle lanes for travel, and the right and left for passing/entering/exiting.

Let's say there's 3 miles between interchanges.  What's the point of the right lane for about 2 of those miles then?


sprjus4


jakeroot

I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

Scott5114

Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after poI always figured people just thought they could put their reply wherever they felt like.sting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.

hotdogPi

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.

I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.

I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).

When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.

And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.

webny99

I rarely use preview, but I'm also enough of a perfectionist that I couldn't even consider starting to type a post without first making sure I'm typing in the right place.

interstatefan990

How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.
Multi-lane roundabouts are an abomination to mankind.

sprjus4

Disagree. Unless traffic conditions warrant or you are passing other traffic, you should remain in the right lane, and then move to the second to right lane if needed, and only to the second to left lane if needed again to double pass.

If you're going close to the speed limit, right lanes are definitely your friend on a highway that may be flowing 10-20 mph faster than the posted. You're border line impeding by going that slow relative to other traffic in the left.

When I'm towards the left of a wide highway in that situation, I'm usually seeing myself going that faster speed, with the flow, 10-20 mph over (usually an artificially low limit such as 55 mph to begin with), otherwise when I feel like driving slower, more relaxed, I stick right in order to not impede. It's just common courtesy.

It is "Keep Right Except to Pass"  after all.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM
On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.

Easy solution - more and more-rigorous driver education and driver testing (driver tests should include several miles on a freeway-class road). 

Persons that nestor (see below) in the left lane of a freeway should fail the test.

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Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.

I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).

When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.

And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.

Problem is that none of the administration are good enough at PHP to patch the software ourselves. We use out-of-the-box software. So it's kind of everyone's responsibility to work around any bugs that exist, until such time that the SMF programmers fix the bugs and we can install the update they release.

Easiest way to get around the issue–which I have never experienced on Firefox, for what it's worth–is to hit Ctrl+End before typing. If you're using a device that doesn't have a Ctrl or End key, stop doing that.
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kphoger

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.

If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.

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jeffandnicole

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 15, 2021, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
"Preview"
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.

This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.

I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).

When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.

And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.

Problem is that none of the administration are good enough at PHP to patch the software ourselves. We use out-of-the-box software. So it's kind of everyone's responsibility to work around any bugs that exist, until such time that the SMF programmers fix the bugs and we can install the update they release.

Easiest way to get around the issue–which I have never experienced on Firefox, for what it's worth–is to hit Ctrl+End before typing. If you're using a device that doesn't have a Ctrl or End key, stop doing that.

Yeah, I don't necessarily blame the admin here, which is why I put that disclaimer into my comment. :-)  I think it happens more when I use my Android to comment.  At the beginning of the pandemic, it became quickly realized many people don't even own a computer anymore and just rely on their phones for their internetting needs.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.

Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac? (GC, paraphrased)

interstatefan990

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2021, 03:41:35 PM
Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac? (GC, paraphrased)

Incorrect. I don't give two shits how fast you're going as long as you don't endanger my safety or the safety of others. Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane. The simple fact that you are moving faster than me in that situation does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane. I will move over when I recognize I'm going slower than the flow of traffic for my lane, as I did in this experience that I described after getting honked/flashed at a few times.

Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.

Oh lord. I can't stand drivers who have this mentality for every road they travel on. That statement only applies to 4-lane freeways. And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.
Multi-lane roundabouts are an abomination to mankind.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2021, 03:41:35 PM
Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac? (GC, paraphrased)

Incorrect. I don't give two shits how fast you're going as long as you don't endanger my safety or the safety of others. Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane. The simple fact that you are moving faster than me in that situation does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane. I will move over when I recognize I'm going slower than the flow of traffic for my lane, as I did in this experience that I described after getting honked/flashed at a few times.

Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.

Oh lord. I can't stand drivers who have this mentality for every road they travel on. That statement only applies to 4-lane freeways. And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.

If you had a few people flash and honk at you, how many went around you without doing such?  You clearly were in the wrong lane. You are trying to force 6 lanes of traffic into one lane to pass you, and your remarks clearly show you believe you are on a power trip.

Also, it depends on state laws if the keep right laws apply to 4 lane freeways, or all roadways with 4 lanes or more.

interstatefan990

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2021, 12:36:38 AM
If you had a few people flash and honk at you, how many went around you without doing such?  You clearly were in the wrong lane. You are trying to force 6 lanes of traffic into one lane to pass you, and your remarks clearly show you believe you are on a power trip.

Again incorrect. No one even needed to go around me, because I moved over after the third car that honked at me, as I realized I was going slower than the flow and it wasn't just a faster car. Maybe your remarks are indicative of a power trip, if you really think the freeway is an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others. And a quick heads up: "8-lane freeway"  means eight lanes of traffic, four in each direction. So I have no idea where you're getting "6 lanes"  from.

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Also, it depends on state laws if the keep right laws apply to 4 lane freeways, or all roadways with 4 lanes or more.

It's not really even about state law. A 4 lane freeway has one passing lane and one non-passing lane, so it's pretty clear cut which one is correct for a given driver.
Multi-lane roundabouts are an abomination to mankind.

sprjus4

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why not move over?

The general rule and courtesy, regardless of any laws, keep right except to pass. If you're not actively passing anyone, and the lane to your right is open, you're not hurting yourself moving into, you can keep moving at your 61 mph, and the faster traffic has the lefter lanes now available to keep going at their flow. No one is hurt. Everyone is happy.

Instead, you just sit there, causing them to have to slow down abruptly, weave either left or right to keep the pace going, and while it doesn't impact you, you've now slowed them down and increased a chance of an accident by increasing the amount of weaving, quick lane changes, right passing, etc.

interstatefan990

Quote from: sprjus4 on August 17, 2021, 01:00:23 AM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why not move over?

The general rule and courtesy...

Did I not just explain that I did, in fact move over after the third car that had to change lanes for me? I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?
Multi-lane roundabouts are an abomination to mankind.

sprjus4

^ That post didn't appear until after I sent my initial one.

Your original posting made it seem like you sat there for a long time, as many cars continued to pass. If it was a few car error... well then, we've all had that happen to us at some point. You corrected the error as soon as you realized it was a problem with other traffic.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 17, 2021, 01:00:23 AM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why not move over?

The general rule and courtesy...

Did I not just explain that I did, in fact move over after the third car that had to change lanes for me? I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?

You moved over after the 3rd car went Crash_It on you.  How many others passed you that you didn't notice? 

kphoger

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.

If there's room for you to move right, then it should compel you to do so.  Obviously, there are reasons for not moving right (thick traffic, upcoming highway divergence, etc), but absent those, the mere presence of a faster vehicle approaching from behind is all that should be needed to compel you to immediately vacate your lane.  Your basic argument is this:  I shouldn't have to change lanes, because the other driver can change lanes.  So basically, you can't be bothered to, but he should be bothered to.

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:11 AM
I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?

Of the two options below, which is preferable?  Which one seems like it would promote more tailgating?
(1)  Three drivers of varying speeds squeeze into the far left lane in order to pass you
(2)  Three drivers get two passing lanes between them?

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.

Again, if you were to move over, there would be two perfectly open left lanes.  You're cutting the passing space in half by not moving over, which means fewer cars can pass you at a time, more of them are likely to tailgate, and then–after they're done passing you–any faster ones at the back of the line have to wait even longer before they can pass the others.

Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
if you really think the freeway is an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others.

A freeway isn't an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others.  But it also isn't a place where those who choose to go slower than others should just camp out in the middle of the highway and assume those faster drivers will just figure it out around them.

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NWI_Irish96

If there is nobody in the lane to the right of you that you are currently passing or about to pass, you should move to the right. How hard is that to understand? Whether or not you're slowing traffic down in your lane doesn't matter.
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Mike2357

LOL so much fury about what lane people are driving in...as long as slower cars stay in the right half of the road overall there wouldn't be a problem. Nitpicking about which specific lane on the right you are cruising in isn't that useful :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
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