Similar control cities

[bassoon1986]

Where are some places along interstates and freeways where there is potential for confusion (not among us, of course  ) because the control cities are similar?

I remember some of you saying before that I-65's southern terminus at I-10 had this issue (although not anymore): I-10 East Pensacola, I-10 West Pascagoula

As I was cruising Google streetview recently I saw another close one in Knoxville, TN along I-40 and I-640: Nashville vs. Asheville

[briantroutman]

I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.

[bassoon1986]

I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.

Geez, Roanoke seems really far away from there. And it skips WV, too. Is Hagerstown the main control point from Harriburg, PA southward?

[NE2]

Washington DC, Washington VA, Washington PA. I don't know if Washington VA is a control city anywhere, but Washington PA is for I-70 and I-79.

http://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/ct32.html

[akotchi]

I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.

Geez, Roanoke seems really far away from there. And it skips WV, too. Is Hagerstown the main control point from Harriburg, PA southward?

Carlisle is the control city shown south from Harrisburg.  Hagerstown does not show up until around Chambersburg, PA.

[jfs1988]

California State Route 57 (Orange Freeway) northbound & California State Route 60 (Pomona Freeway) eastbound both have Pomona as control cities from their southern & eastern start points. CA-57 & CA-60 meet in Diamond Bar & overlap each other for a few miles. The overhead signs show CA-57 North & CA-60 East Pomona. They say goodbye to each other in northern Diamond Bar, but they both reach their control city. CA-57 travels to western Pomona while CA-60 travels to southern Pomona.

https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_107a_04.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_001a_01.jpg
The famous Orange Crush Interchange & East Los Angeles Interchange. Western & Southern Start point for CA-60 & CA-57.

https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_024a_03.jpg

[roadman65]

How about Sioux Falls and Sioux City along I-29?  I would think that interchanges between the two cities would have signs for both as there is no other city in between except for small settlements.  Of course we know that some DOTs do like to sign smaller cities instead of the bigger ones, however I am not sure how SD signs I-29 at ramps between the two.

[PHLBOS]

Along I-95 Southbound at the PA-DE State Line

http://goo.gl/maps/V6Ae1

Things get even more confusing with all the diagramatic approach BGS' beforehand due to PennDOT (or DelDOT not communicating w/PennDOT) never removing the temporary City/Port of masks from all the BGS' following the completion of a redecking project along I-95 in Wilmington, DE 10 to 15 years ago.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZcuwZ

Along I-95 in Attleboro, MA

http://goo.gl/maps/jXCFK

Along MA 3 Northbound in Weymouth, MA

http://goo.gl/maps/kxzHU

[Charles2]

Memphis and TNDoT  saves drivers confusion by not making Jackson, TN the control city on I-40 EB.  It would be messy and confusing for drivers if they saw signs for I-55 SB (Jackson, Miss.) and I-40 EB (Jackson, Tenn).

[Occidental Tourist]

I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.

At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.

Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown.  Guess which one does which?

[TheStranger]

I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.

At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.

Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown.  Guess which one does which?

Best part of this:

If one stays on I-5 southbound, the next exit to direct them to "Los Angeles" the control city is...110 south, the Arroyo Seco Parkway.

This however does not allow trucks, so if you are driving a tractor-trailer and weren't aware that the Hollywood Freeway is the much better route...you now have to loop through the East Los Angeles Interchange to the Santa Monica Freeway.

[pianocello]

How about Sioux Falls and Sioux City along I-29?  I would think that interchanges between the two cities would have signs for both as there is no other city in between except for small settlements.  Of course we know that some DOTs do like to sign smaller cities instead of the bigger ones, however I am not sure how SD signs I-29 at ramps between the two.

A quick check of GSV shows that Elk Point and Beresford are used between the two in South Dakota. At the northernmost interchange in Iowa, Sioux Falls is used, but Sioux City is not (for obvious reasons; it's in Sioux City).

[hbelkins]

Memphis and TNDoT  saves drivers confusion by not making Jackson, TN the control city on I-40 EB.  It would be messy and confusing for drivers if they saw signs for I-55 SB (Jackson, Miss.) and I-40 EB (Jackson, Tenn).

West Virginia would sign Jackson, Tenn. as a control city. So would Pennsylvania. But Tennessee does it right. Jackson is not worthy of that status; Nashville is appropriate.

[vtk]

Semi OT...

I was once giving a coworker directions to West Liberty, Ohio.  He wrote down my directions, and I drew him a map.  He still managed to take a wrong turn – coincidentally, near East Liberty.  He called me, and seemed concerned that I might have directed him to the wrong town.  But no, my directions took him past one en route to the other, and it's not my fault he got some of the turns mixed up in his head.

I know in some parts of the country, such as New England, one might expect West Liberty and East Liberty to be near each other, probably on either side of Liberty.  In Ohio, nobody expects this.  Directional prefixes in town names have no recognizeable geographical meaning in Ohio.  East and West Liberties are the only ones I'm aware of that might actually seem related.

I suppose it's possible that, at the intersection of Main & Chillicothe in Bellefontaine at some time in the past, there may have been signs pointing to East Liberty and West Liberty.

[theline]

I know in some parts of the country, such as New England, one might expect West Liberty and East Liberty to be near each other, probably on either side of Liberty.  In Ohio, nobody expects this.  Directional prefixes in town names have no recognizeable geographical meaning in Ohio.

Same thing in Indiana. Liberty and North Liberty are 207 miles or 3 hours, 35 minutes apart. I've got no idea if the latter was named for the former. Considering the pattern of settlement in the state, from south to north, it's a possibility.

[NE2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Liberty,_Indiana

North Liberty is a town in St. Joseph County, Indiana, United States. It is located in Liberty Township.

There are enough townships that names can and do repeat frequently.

[hbelkins]

West Liberty, Ky., is northeast of Liberty, Ky., and is at least a 3 1/2 hour drive from Liberty.

[Alps]

I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.

At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.

Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown.  Guess which one does which?

It also seems that 170 to the 101 is slightly shorter than staying on the 5... though I wouldn't be surprised if the traffic is much heavier.

[theline]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Liberty,_Indiana

North Liberty is a town in St. Joseph County, Indiana, United States. It is located in Liberty Township.

There are enough townships that names can and do repeat frequently.

I'm not understanding the comment. In Indiana, at least, townships are subdivisions of counties, and it's not a bit unusual for names to repeat. Towns, on the other hand, are a form of municipal government, like cities. They are generally smaller than cities, though not always.

Incorporated towns and cities have unique names within the state. They generally encompass residential and business areas, and exclude most farmland. I know the terminology varies in other states.

For more info, look here: http://www.in.gov/sboa/2435.htm

The State of Indiana has 119 cities and 447 towns. Cities range in population from 1,209 (Cannelton) to over 780,000 (Indianapolis Unigov). Towns range in population from 28 (River Forest) to over 37,000 (Fishers).

[NE2]

You were wondering how North Liberty got its name. It was apparently in the north part of Liberty Township (which included Lincoln Township until 1866). The only issue is that Liberty Township was incorporated in 1837, but North Liberty in 1836; perhaps the area was already known as Liberty.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QS8VAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA281

[theline]

Thanks for the info, NE2. I can usually count on you to come up with it. It's good to know more about my county.

[1995hoo]

I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.

In a similar vein, signs for I-495 in Virginia used to use Frederick as the control city in one direction and Richmond/Alexandria (Richmond always listed first) in the other direction. I thought it would be funny if they'd used Fredericksburg instead of Richmond and Alexandria. Doesn't matter now since they've replaced Frederick on the signs with Tysons Corner (and for awhile they had Rockville prior to using Tysons). I have indeed heard people mixing up Frederick and Fredericksburg, including TV weathermen.

[roadman65]

I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.

In a similar vein, signs for I-495 in Virginia used to use Frederick as the control city in one direction and Richmond/Alexandria (Richmond always listed first) in the other direction. I thought it would be funny if they'd used Fredericksburg instead of Richmond and Alexandria. Doesn't matter now since they've replaced Frederick on the signs with Tysons Corner (and for awhile they had Rockville prior to using Tysons). I have indeed heard people mixing up Frederick and Fredericksburg, including TV weathermen.

What is more interesting is you not only have Frederick, MD and Fredericksburg, VA; but you have a Prince Frederick, MD also in the same region of the country.  Unfortunately, Prince Frederick is not on the interstate system and it could never be mentioned as a control city on the I-495 Beltway as well as its location has no real reason to ever be so warranted.  However, if it were it would even be funnier.   Having one interchange on ramps say Frederick in one direction and Fredericksburg/ Prince Frederick in the other.

[Occidental Tourist]

I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.

At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.

Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown.  Guess which one does which?

It also seems that 170 to the 101 is slightly shorter than staying on the 5... though I wouldn't be surprised if the traffic is much heavier.

I believe traffic on both is equally bad.  During the morning, both the 5 and the 170/101 are bad south of the 134.  The 5 may be better as it doesn't always back up as far. 

[jp the roadgeek]

At the end of I-691: I-84 W, Waterbury/Danbury
On CT 9 S: CT 66 W, Middletown/Middlefield (also on I-91 N Exit 18 for CT 66 E)


And another related question: Why is Hampton, CT 20 miles east of East Hampton?