Control cities that aren't actually cities

[HighwayStar]

Pretty sure I have seen Ohio used on some signs in PA. Possibly also New York, although that is ambiguous as to the city or state.

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

[sprjus4]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

[Flint1979]

I guess he thinks the control city should be Woodlawn instead. I'd be trying to figure out where in the hell Woodlawn is at, Baltimore I'd know.

[hbelkins]

I say, Wytheville in the proposed northern Beltway in Winston-Salem. I'm talking about I-74.

They are using it instead of Mount Airy and yet I-74 is not yet signed in Virginia.

Check the thread title + this thread is a duplicate of another one if you read the previous replies.

I noticed that it didn't seem to match, and then I checked... Wytheville is a town, not a city. I still don't think that was the intent of this thread, though.

Semantics, not applicable in all states. Any incorporated place in Kentucky is technically a city, but "city" and "town" are used interchangeably if it's a small county-seat town or other small incorporated place.

States like New York and Virginia have special definitions of what constitutes a "town" or a "city."

[HighwayStar]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

[Flint1979]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

[hotdogPi]

Also read the thread title. This thread is for control states (Iowa), regions (Cape Cod), points of interest (various airports, Disney World, arguably Delaware Water Gap), weird one-offs (Thru Traffic), and for those being pedantic, places that most people think are cities but aren't (Arlington VA).

Baltimore is a city.

[roadman65]

Savannah River Site for US 278 departing US 1 & 78 in North Augusta, SC.

[yanksfan6129]

Various signs in the District of Columbia use Capitol Hill and Capital One Arena, the latter sometimes misspelled as "Capitol One Arena" (formerly, and still widely, known as Verizon Center), as control "points."

I'm sure we've had this discussion before because invariably someone complains about New York City using the bridges or tunnels.

Indeed, in DC you'll even just see signs for "House" and "Senate"

[tolbs17]

I feel like we don't need two threads on the same subject!

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4151.125

[US20IL64]

"Baltimore" on a control sign could also refer to Baltimore County ?   

[hbelkins]

If we're stretching the definition of "control city" to include destinations on run-of-the-mill exit sign -- as I've said before, I don't consider those to be true control cities the way that long-distance locations are signed -- then Kentucky Dam for US 62 on I-24.

[ilpt4u]

If we're stretching the definition of "control city" to include destinations on run-of-the-mill exit sign -- as I've said before, I don't consider those to be true control cities the way that long-distance locations are signed -- then Kentucky Dam for US 62 on I-24.

"KY Dam"  itself is signed as a Control on I-24 East in Paducah

[HighwayStar]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

[SkyPesos]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

So is "To I-695"  your preferred control city choice for I-70 EB in MD?

[jaehak]

Various signs in the District of Columbia use Capitol Hill and Capital One Arena, the latter sometimes misspelled as "Capitol One Arena" (formerly, and still widely, known as Verizon Center), as control "points."

I've always referred to it as the MCI Center

[JayhawkCO]

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

Chris

[HighwayStar]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

So is "To I-695"  your preferred control city choice for I-70 EB in MD?

I think Baltimore Beltway sounds better honestly, but I-695 would work.
My preferred solution though is to quit searching for short term band-aid solutions and finish the damn road.

[Flint1979]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

Why do you keep going on about this? I-70 ends in the Baltimore metro area. You don't even know what makes a control city in the first place. Good for the other end of I-70, it's nowhere near Las Vegas, Los Angeles or San Diego when it ends but at the other end it is indeed within the Baltimore metro area which means Baltimore makes perfect sense because as I-70 ends the highway it ends into does take you to Baltimore. Yes I-70 does serve Baltimore and I really don't care what you have to say about it. How can you tell me that it doesn't? If you are on I-70 going to Baltimore you are on the right highway, so what if you have to take another highway for the last 5 miles or so? Signing it as Baltimore Beltway is stupid btw.

[Flint1979]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

So is "To I-695"  your preferred control city choice for I-70 EB in MD?

I think Baltimore Beltway sounds better honestly, but I-695 would work.
My preferred solution though is to quit searching for short term band-aid solutions and finish the damn road.

I don't and he was just coming up with another idea since you have such a problem with Baltimore being the control city on EB I-70 in Maryland. There are no plans to finish the road into Baltimore it isn't going any further east than the park n ride lot and that is a permanent end to the highway there. There is no such thing as a short term band aid for this.

[HighwayStar]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

Why do you keep going on about this? I-70 ends in the Baltimore metro area. You don't even know what makes a control city in the first place. Good for the other end of I-70, it's nowhere near Las Vegas, Los Angeles or San Diego when it ends but at the other end it is indeed within the Baltimore metro area which means Baltimore makes perfect sense because as I-70 ends the highway it ends into does take you to Baltimore. Yes I-70 does serve Baltimore and I really don't care what you have to say about it. How can you tell me that it doesn't? If you are on I-70 going to Baltimore you are on the right highway, so what if you have to take another highway for the last 5 miles or so? Signing it as Baltimore Beltway is stupid btw.

If you are in Baltimore and want to get anywhere, you will not use I-70 until you have left town. That is not serving Baltimore, that is serving other areas.
Signing it as Baltimore Beltway is far less stupid than signing it as Baltimore when anyone that bothers to follow it ends up in a parking lot in a wooded area that looks nothing like Baltimore.

Like I said, the best fix is to finish the actual road.

[Flint1979]

The eastern terminus of I-70 is listed as, "Park and Ride lot in Baltimore, MD"

Anyone that is going to sit on an online forum and argue where a highway ends is beyond insane.

And then to hear, "I-70 doesn't serve Baltimore." How do you figure such a thing?

[US20IL64]

I-80 has New York as a control, even though it ends officially in NJ.
I-70 has DC on signs in Breezwood PA.

[HighwayStar]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

So is "To I-695"  your preferred control city choice for I-70 EB in MD?

I think Baltimore Beltway sounds better honestly, but I-695 would work.
My preferred solution though is to quit searching for short term band-aid solutions and finish the damn road.

I don't and he was just coming up with another idea since you have such a problem with Baltimore being the control city on EB I-70 in Maryland. There are no plans to finish the road into Baltimore it isn't going any further east than the park n ride lot and that is a permanent end to the highway there. There is no such thing as a short term band aid for this.

"There are no plans" so what? Just because there is no plan now does not mean that there cannot be one in the future. That was never supposed to be the end of I-70, and until it is completed as designed the interstate is unfinished. I would really like to see someone run for office on the platform of I-70, To Baltimore and Beyond!

[Flint1979]

And for what it is worth, if we were to properly sign the road, no, the Baltimore Beltway is not a city in and of itself (my median proposal aside).

You're correct, the properly signed city is "Baltimore". And it is currently used on I-70.

You need to read what I wrote more carefully. "If we were to properly sign the road" implies that it is improperly signed now as is the case.

Baltimore is the city that I-70 is heading towards as it ends. This obsession with Baltimore being a control city on I-70 is ridiculous.

"Heading  towards" does not make something a control city. At the other end I-70 is "heading towards" Los Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, but none of those are acceptable control cities.
I-70 does not serve Baltimore, and was specifically designed to enter the city and serve it. Until that construction is completed, I-70 needs to be signed as Baltimore Beltway.

Why do you keep going on about this? I-70 ends in the Baltimore metro area. You don't even know what makes a control city in the first place. Good for the other end of I-70, it's nowhere near Las Vegas, Los Angeles or San Diego when it ends but at the other end it is indeed within the Baltimore metro area which means Baltimore makes perfect sense because as I-70 ends the highway it ends into does take you to Baltimore. Yes I-70 does serve Baltimore and I really don't care what you have to say about it. How can you tell me that it doesn't? If you are on I-70 going to Baltimore you are on the right highway, so what if you have to take another highway for the last 5 miles or so? Signing it as Baltimore Beltway is stupid btw.

If you are in Baltimore and want to get anywhere, you will not use I-70 until you have left town. That is not serving Baltimore, that is serving other areas.
Signing it as Baltimore Beltway is far less stupid than signing it as Baltimore when anyone that bothers to follow it ends up in a parking lot in a wooded area that looks nothing like Baltimore.

Like I said, the best fix is to finish the actual road.

Stop trying to nitpick around the fact that I-70 does indeed serve Baltimore. It ends in a park n ride lot on the city limits. Why do we need to keep explaining to you the reason that Baltimore is the control city on EB I-70? Why can you not figure out that control cities don't have to be reached before they are changed? Baltimore is the last city on I-70 EB, should we use Woodlawn as the control city instead? Who's going to know where or what Woodlawn is? Baltimore is the largest city in Maryland and one of the largest cities in the United States, enough with this already.