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Business routes that don't have both ends at their parent route

Started by hbelkins, January 31, 2014, 08:01:53 PM

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hbelkins

Are there any?

I want to think that either Business US 30 at Marshalltown, Iowa, or Business US 36 at Chillicothe, Mo. might qualify.
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roadman65

US 190 Business in Slidell, LA has its northern terminus at US 11.

Gettysburg, PA had NB US 15 BUSINESS end at PA 394 for years and had a TO US 15 sign direct motorists back to its parent.

Defunct US 22 ALT in NJ dead ended in Downtown Phillipsburg, NJ.  I know its not a BUS route, but could have been one as it served as one for its parent.
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I have always thought that business loops have both ends at the parent and business spurs only have one end at the parent. Is this right?
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NE2

Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
I have always thought that business loops have both ends at the parent and business spurs only have one end at the parent. Is this right?
Yes. And Arkansas.
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Quote from: hbelkins on January 31, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
Are there any?

Since the Glen Burnie Bypass was signed as I-97 instead of Md. 3, Business Md. 3 (Crain Highway) in Glen Burnie, Anne Arundel County, has no connection to its parent route, since Md. 3 (also Crain Highway) was truncated some distance to the south at the Md. 3/Md. 32/I-97 interchange in Millersville or Gambrills (your choice of which place name to use).
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bob7374

US 64 Business in Wake County, NC uses the old US 64 routing before the current US 64/US 264 (now I-495/Future I-495) Knightdale Bypass was built, to I-440. While it may officially return to US 64 on I-440 East, there is no signage to indicate this at the I-440 interchange (at least it did the last time I was there in 2012).

NE2

Quote from: bob7374 on January 31, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
US 64 Business in Wake County, NC uses the old US 64 routing before the current US 64/US 264 (now I-495/Future I-495) Knightdale Bypass was built, to I-440. While it may officially return to US 64 on I-440 East, there is no signage to indicate this at the I-440 interchange (at least it did the last time I was there in 2012).
On the Goog (2011) I see a TO WEST 64 assembly, which is enough when approaching the end of a business route (it's standard in some states, such as Wyoming IIRC, to use only this type of signage after you pass through downtown).
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Alps

Business Spur 40 to Fort mumblesomething in OK (it's 3 AM, alright?)
Business I-83 in York PA
Business I-495 in Lowell MA (or what was ever signed of it)

Road Hog

Business State Highway 289 in Prosper used to loop back, but TxDOT gave the northern half to the town in 2009 and now both it and FM 1193 (Broadway) terminate at right angles to each other.

NE2

Quote from: Alps on February 01, 2014, 02:53:06 AM
Business I-83 in York PA
Eh? This one returns by overlapping PA 181. 'tain't signed too well, but there are signs for it on I-83 south.
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oscar

Business Loop I-15 in Lake Elsinore CA appears to have its north end at Lakeshore and CA 74, marked with an "End" sign.  There's only an implied connection, via about two miles on CA 74, back to I-15 exit 77.

Another odd feature of this route is that it appears to be "three-legged", with one south end at I-15 exit 75, and the other at I-15 exit 73.  This is something I need to research some more.

Not a BL, but Truck US 219 in Ridgway PA has its signed north end at PA 120.  Truckers need to travel west on PA 120 to return to the US 219 mainline.
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US71

Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2014, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
I have always thought that business loops have both ends at the parent and business spurs only have one end at the parent. Is this right?
Yes. And Arkansas.
Arkansas doesn't differentiate between US BUsiness Loops or Business Spurs. We've not had any Interstate Business Loops for 30-40 years.

Augusta has a Bus 64 that is a spur.

AR 102 has a Business Route that is a Spur at Centerton (original US 71)

Too early to come up with any others.
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Alps

Quote from: NE2 on February 01, 2014, 03:20:34 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 01, 2014, 02:53:06 AM
Business I-83 in York PA
Eh? This one returns by overlapping PA 181. 'tain't signed too well, but there are signs for it on I-83 south.
And here I was thinking Business 83 ends at US 30 and becomes PA 181. My fault for believing signage.

NE2

In many states, signage on business routes heading away from downtown often deliberately reads TO [Interstate] rather than having business shields.
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If unofficial loops count, Belle Fourche maintains a Business US 212 that ends at US 85.
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roadman65

I am not sure anymore about Trenton, NJ for US 1 Business.  Although officially it loops completely, however some signs take it west of the Brunswick Circle on Strawberry Street and then onto Princeton Avenue into Downtown Trenton.  If following the signage, it will end abruptly on the Trenton Makes Bridge where it is not signed in PA at all anymore.

US 1 Business is the other way on Strawberry Street from the Circle where it has an interchange with its parent and thus is its official southern terminus.

US 220 Business north of Bedford  in PA may return to its parent, but it is not signed on US 220 at all at the place it returns.   

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Quote from: hbelkins on January 31, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
Are there any?

I want to think that either Business US 30 at Marshalltown, Iowa might qualify.

Nope, it ends at US-30 on both ends. The signs are pretty clear about it, too (at least they were when the Street View car covered it).

BUS I-94 in Marshall, MI, is an odd one. The route follows M-96 and I-69, but signs eastbound don't begin until the junction between 69 and 96 rather than the 69/94 interchange. Westbound, it is signed all the way.
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Alps

Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2014, 01:56:21 PM
I am not sure anymore about Trenton, NJ for US 1 Business.  Although officially it loops completely, however some signs take it west of the Brunswick Circle on Strawberry Street and then onto Princeton Avenue into Downtown Trenton.  If following the signage, it will end abruptly on the Trenton Makes Bridge where it is not signed in PA at all anymore.

US 1 Business is the other way on Strawberry Street from the Circle where it has an interchange with its parent and thus is its official southern terminus.

US 220 Business north of Bedford  in PA may return to its parent, but it is not signed on US 220 at all at the place it returns.   


1 Business is out of Trenton. It was really 1 Alternate, and I wasn't in Trenton pre-1988 to vouch for whether PA ever continued that designation back to 1. After 1988, for some reason the ALTs got replaced with BUS even though it was no longer any route at all, hence the confusion.

roadman65

PA is unclear about ALT US 1, but old maps do show it.  I do remember the ALT signs though in Downtown Trenton in the day.
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Zeffy

Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2014, 01:56:21 PM
I am not sure anymore about Trenton, NJ for US 1 Business.  Although officially it loops completely, however some signs take it west of the Brunswick Circle on Strawberry Street and then onto Princeton Avenue into Downtown Trenton.  If following the signage, it will end abruptly on the Trenton Makes Bridge where it is not signed in PA at all anymore.

US 1 Business is the other way on Strawberry Street from the Circle where it has an interchange with its parent and thus is its official southern terminus.

I'm confused about US 1 business. On Google Maps, it splits from US 1 following the interchange with I-95/I-295 and then follows down Brunswick Avenue... then once it gets to the Brunswick Circle, it heads down Strawberry Street... and then feeds back into US 1? It doesn't even make it into Downtown Trenton, it barely enters the city limits way up north.
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roadman65

The way google has it is correct.  NJDOT gets is wrong on their signage.  Business US 1 used to be US 1 Alternate and that was signed down Princeton Avenue to the one way pair of Warren Street and Broad Street, then on two way Warren Street, across the Trenton Makes Bridge and onto PA 32 until it ended at its parent in Morrisville.

For some reason NJDOT did not take the signs down when the designation changed over and was truncated, but replaced them all with BUSINESS banners south of the Circle.   
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TheStranger

In California...

Business I-205 (former US 50) in Tracy has its east terminus at I-5 (also former US 50), north of where I-205 ends at I-5.

Not sure the Business US 101 through Gilroy (not even sure if it still exists) along Monterey Road had a clearly defined northern terminus at any point.

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Alps

Quote from: Zeffy on February 01, 2014, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2014, 01:56:21 PM
I am not sure anymore about Trenton, NJ for US 1 Business.  Although officially it loops completely, however some signs take it west of the Brunswick Circle on Strawberry Street and then onto Princeton Avenue into Downtown Trenton.  If following the signage, it will end abruptly on the Trenton Makes Bridge where it is not signed in PA at all anymore.

US 1 Business is the other way on Strawberry Street from the Circle where it has an interchange with its parent and thus is its official southern terminus.

I'm confused about US 1 business. On Google Maps, it splits from US 1 following the interchange with I-95/I-295 and then follows down Brunswick Avenue... then once it gets to the Brunswick Circle, it heads down Strawberry Street... and then feeds back into US 1? It doesn't even make it into Downtown Trenton, it barely enters the city limits way up north.
Business 1 is the former alignment of 1, once most of Trenton Freeway was built. It stayed under state maintenance, and for whatever reason, NJ didn't slap a 1xx over it (could have swapped with the incomplete freeway, if they wanted). It does serve businesses, just not in Trenton.

Zeffy

Quote from: Alps on February 01, 2014, 05:09:23 PM
Business 1 is the former alignment of 1, once most of Trenton Freeway was built. It stayed under state maintenance, and for whatever reason, NJ didn't slap a 1xx over it (could have swapped with the incomplete freeway, if they wanted). It does serve businesses, just not in Trenton.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Maybe it should have been numbered and signed as NJ 101.  :)
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roadman

Quote from: Alps on February 01, 2014, 02:53:06 AM
Business I-495 in Lowell MA (or what was ever signed of it)

As I've noted in other posts, Business I-495 in Lowell was NEVER signed as such on any of the BGS panels on either I-495 or US 3, nor were any ground-mounted supplemental panels indicating such placed on the I-495 or US 3 mainlines.

The only evidence of the designation ever having been posted anywhere is when a handful of "Junction Business 495" markers were placed on side streets in Lowell.  This was apparently done by MassDPW District forces sometime in the late 1960s.   At least one of these signs lasted in to the mid 2000s before it was finally removed.
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