Unnumbered interstates

[bugo]

According to:

http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-044.html

the Creek Turnpike in Oklahoma is an unnumbered Interstate.  Is this the only example in the country?

[vtk]

Depends on whether you recognize the validity of designations like "I-480N" and "I-670 Spur".

Decades ago the east leg of Columbus's Innerbelt wasn't part of any numbered Interstate route, but I'm pretty sure it was built with Interstate funds.  A similar (but possibly weaker) statement can be made about the west leg.

[Rover_0]

I can't help but wonder if a number will be applied to it someday, whether or not said number is signed in the field. I-644, anyone?

[empirestate]

How about a secretly unnumbered Interstate, like I-695 (NY) used to be? 

(I-695 used to be signed publicly as such, but secretly had no number of its own, being lumped into I-295 by the FHWA. It's since been given official recognition, though.)

[yakra]

Decades ago the east leg of Columbus's Innerbelt wasn't part of any numbered Interstate route, but I'm pretty sure it was built with Interstate funds.

I believe (but could be wrong here) that Maine's Scarborough Connector was built with interstate funds as part of the I-295 project.

[Alps]

Let's consider this scenario: NC moved I-40 onto the southern half of the Greensboro Bypass. Feds informed them that they'd lose 90% funding if they took the Interstate off the old highway. NC moved I-40 back.
In the time between moving I-40 off and I-40 back, it seems the Feds did not actually take the unnumbered (as an Interstate) highway off of the system. So I'd say that counts.

[froggie]

In light of what bugo originally posted, the "primary suspects" would be those corridors that Congress added to the Interstate system (via MAP-21, SAFETEA-LU, ISTEA, etc etc) but did not specify a route number, and where a route number hasn't otherwise been proposed.

[hbelkins]

Let's consider this scenario: NC moved I-40 onto the southern half of the Greensboro Bypass. Feds informed them that they'd lose 90% funding if they took the Interstate off the old highway. NC moved I-40 back.
In the time between moving I-40 off and I-40 back, it seems the Feds did not actually take the unnumbered (as an Interstate) highway off of the system. So I'd say that counts.

That freeway was signed as Business I-40 with the green and white signs. Do the feds not fund the green interstates, such as green I-40 Winston-Salem and green I-85 Spartanburg? (Both of which are former mainline alignments). If so, why are they allowed but the Greensboro change wasn't?

[Brandon]

Let's consider this scenario: NC moved I-40 onto the southern half of the Greensboro Bypass. Feds informed them that they'd lose 90% funding if they took the Interstate off the old highway. NC moved I-40 back.
In the time between moving I-40 off and I-40 back, it seems the Feds did not actually take the unnumbered (as an Interstate) highway off of the system. So I'd say that counts.

That freeway was signed as Business I-40 with the green and white signs. Do the feds not fund the green interstates, such as green I-40 Winston-Salem and green I-85 Spartanburg? (Both of which are former mainline alignments). If so, why are they allowed but the Greensboro change wasn't?

I don't think the feds fund business loops (BLs) or spurs (BSs) off interstates unless they're a part of the NHS.

[Alps]

Let's consider this scenario: NC moved I-40 onto the southern half of the Greensboro Bypass. Feds informed them that they'd lose 90% funding if they took the Interstate off the old highway. NC moved I-40 back.
In the time between moving I-40 off and I-40 back, it seems the Feds did not actually take the unnumbered (as an Interstate) highway off of the system. So I'd say that counts.

That freeway was signed as Business I-40 with the green and white signs. Do the feds not fund the green interstates, such as green I-40 Winston-Salem and green I-85 Spartanburg? (Both of which are former mainline alignments). If so, why are they allowed but the Greensboro change wasn't?

I don't think the feds fund business loops (BLs) or spurs (BSs) off interstates unless they're a part of the NHS.

And certainly not at the 90/10 rate of chargeable Interstates. I believe it drops to 80/20. Sounds like not much, but it's twice as much $ for the state.

I-478 in New York is numbered but unsigned, if that counts.

No it does not count. You just said "numbered." This thread says "unnumbered." No number. (rant directed not specifically at you, but at everyone in this thread)

[agentsteel53]

was the Lowell Connector built with interstate funds?  it was, apparently, never officially meant to be Business Spur I-495: Massachusetts came up with the designation on its own.

[Alps]

was the Lowell Connector built with interstate funds?  it was, apparently, never officially meant to be Business Spur I-495: Massachusetts came up with the designation on its own.

It was never an Interstate highway, so it wouldn't have had Interstate funds. It may have had Federal funds, depending whether it's on the NHS.

[Molandfreak]

Let's consider this scenario: NC moved I-40 onto the southern half of the Greensboro Bypass. Feds informed them that they'd lose 90% funding if they took the Interstate off the old highway. NC moved I-40 back.
In the time between moving I-40 off and I-40 back, it seems the Feds did not actually take the unnumbered (as an Interstate) highway off of the system. So I'd say that counts.

Isn't that I-73/I-85 now anyways?

[froggie]

Something that just dawned on me....has FHWA approved adding the Creek Turnpike to the Interstate system?  Yes there's Federal legislation including such, but until FHWA actually finalizes the approval, it's not on the system.

[empirestate]

No it does not count. You just said "numbered." This thread says "unnumbered." No number. (rant directed not specifically at you, but at everyone in this thread)

Heh, you must really be pissed at all the folks posting about boring roads in non-boring states, over in that thread about boring states.

[bugo]

Something that just dawned on me....has FHWA approved adding the Creek Turnpike to the Interstate system?  Yes there's Federal legislation including such, but until FHWA actually finalizes the approval, it's not on the system.

Good point.

It should be I-44.  It also should be the required route for through traffic.  Skelly Drive is too choked with truck traffic at all hours of the day.

[froggie]

Unless the tolls are removed, the Creek cannot become the "required route".

[Brandon]

Unless the tolls are removed, the Creek cannot become the "required route".

Bull.  It can become the recommended route for through traffic just as the older toll roads in the east have become.

[froggie]

There's a big difference between "recommended" and "required".

[Alps]

There's a big difference between "recommended" and "required".

Short of tearing down I-44 AND I-244, I don't see how to make this a required route.

[NE2]

According to:

http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-044.html

the Creek Turnpike in Oklahoma is an unnumbered Interstate.  Is this the only example in the country?

The law says "in accordance with section 103(c)(4)", which is:

(4) Interstate system designations.–
(A) Additions.– If the Secretary determines that a highway on the National Highway System meets all standards of a highway on the Interstate System and that the highway is a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System, the Secretary may, upon the affirmative recommendation of the State or States in which the highway is located, designate the highway as a route on the Interstate System.
(B) Designations as future interstate system routes.–
(i) In general.– Subject to clauses (ii) through (vi), if the Secretary determines that a highway on the National Highway System would be a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System and would qualify for designation as a route on the Interstate System under subparagraph (A) if the highway met all standards of a highway on the Interstate System, the Secretary may, upon the affirmative recommendation of the State or States in which the highway is located, designate the highway as a future Interstate System route.
(ii) Written agreement.– A designation under clause (i) shall be made only upon the written agreement of each State described in that clause that the highway will be constructed to meet all standards of a highway on the Interstate System by not later than the date that is 25 years after the date of the agreement.
(iii) Failure to complete construction.– If a State described in clause (i) has not substantially completed the construction of a highway designated under this subparagraph by the date specified in clause (ii), the Secretary shall remove the designation of the highway as a future Interstate System route.
(iv) Effect of removal.– Removal of the designation of a highway under clause (iii) shall not preclude the Secretary from designating the highway as a route on the Interstate System under subparagraph (A) or under any other provision of law providing for addition to the Interstate System.
(v) Retroactive effect.– An agreement described in clause (ii) that is entered into before August 10, 2005, shall be deemed to include the 25-year time limitation described in that clause, regardless of any earlier construction completion date in the agreement.
(vi) References.– No law, rule, regulation, map, document, or other record of the United States, or of any State or political subdivision of a State, shall refer to any highway designated as a future Interstate System route under this subparagraph, and no such highway shall be signed or marked, as a highway on the Interstate System, until such time as the highway–
(I) is constructed to the geometric and construction standards for the Interstate System; and
(II) has been designated as a route on the Interstate System.
(C) Financial responsibility.– Except as provided in this title, the designation of a highway under this paragraph shall create no additional Federal financial responsibility with respect to the highway.

In other words, it's not an Interstate until Oklahoma requests it.

[Alps]

This thread has been restored to DISCUSSION OF ROADS THAT ARE THE FOLLOWING:
* ON THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM
* NOT NUMBERED

DO NOT post about routes that ARE NUMBERED, even if it is secret. DO NOT post about routes that ARE NOT ON THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM. This thread gets ONE MORE CHANCE.

[hotdogPi]

If there are any, it would have to be a ramp.

[hbelkins]

What about this route?

(Google Maps has it labeled wrong; the actual interstate terminates at I-287, not the Hutch.)

[NE2]

What about this route?

I don't think it's actually part of the Interstate system.