What do you think are scams?

[roadman65]

What gets me is that the expiration date on dairy products is supposed to be the last day sold, not last day consumed. Yet I find the milk to be sour on midnight at the end of the stamped day many times.

When I was a kid my milk was good days after the expiration date, so people are changing and lowering standards these days.

[abefroman329]

Maybe all of the hundreds of people I have met who smoke the stuff were all naturally dingbats anyway (so smoking it truly had no effect)

everybody has their own unhealthy coping skills.  No need to break your arm jacking yourself off just because alcohol and marijuana aren't on your list.

I'm not sure which part of his post prompted you to write this.

The part I quoted, but really it could have been any of the other parts where he was, you know, about to break his arm jacking himself off because he doesn't drink or smoke pot.

What other kind of jacking would apply here?  Foot jacking?

I dunno man, I heard that line on Rick and Morty and I like it better than "try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back."

[kalvado]

What gets me is that the expiration date on dairy products is supposed to be the last day sold, not last day consumed. Yet I find the milk to be sour on midnight at the end of the stamped day many times.

When I was a kid my milk was good days after the expiration date, so people are changing and lowering standards these days.

One aspect in milk shelf life is antibiotics residue. Its  recognized that preventive antibiotic treatment got out of hand in agriculture at some point. It is scaled back, though, but there is a huge price yet to be paid..
Milk going sour (in an open container, right?) is a tiny part of the situation.

[Scott5114]

There's no sprinkler system or Exit signage in my house.

uh

[kalvado]

There's no sprinkler system or Exit signage in my house.

uh

Both arrows are uncovered. A good OSHA inspector would write you up immediately...

[Scott5114]

A) Tells me they are not addicted and can quit anytime. [...] I have experienced enough potheads to see that it can be addictive [...]

They're probably telling the truth. I have a cannabis vape on my desk and I probably only use it once or twice a week or so. Sometimes I feel like doing it. Sometimes I don't. Honestly I have more of a problem telling myself not to eat fried foods and drink soda than I do cannabis.

You can get addicted to anything that gives you a dopamine hit. I've seen people addicted to gambling. Some people are addicted to sports. Or posting to a Web forum. The underlying mechanism of addiction is a lack of dopamine, which is why people with shit lives tend to get addicted to things easier. Some people have brains that are more structured to develop addictions than others. So yes, some people can get addicted to cannabis, but those people are just as likely to get addicted to alcohol or working out or buying Blu-Rays of Live with Regis and Kathie Lee.

Both arrows are uncovered. A good OSHA inspector would write you up immediately...

That's always bothered me, but both of the chevrons (not arrows! the City of Norman's building code inspectors argue with each other over this) were popped out when I got the sign, and I haven't bothered to correct it, since I just put it up when we moved in as a goof.

[CtrlAltDel]

There's no sprinkler system or Exit signage in my house.

uh

How did you get a picture of jeffandnicole's house?

[Max Rockatansky]

There's no sprinkler system or Exit signage in my house.

uh

Both arrows are uncovered. A good OSHA inspector would write you up immediately...

No illuminated backlight?

[Scott5114]

No illuminated backlight?

haha I'm not made of money

[thspfc]

Maybe all of the hundreds of people I have met who smoke the stuff were all naturally dingbats anyway (so smoking it truly had no effect)

everybody has their own unhealthy coping skills.  No need to break your arm jacking yourself off just because alcohol and marijuana aren't on your list.

I'm not sure which part of his post prompted you to write this.

The part I quoted, but really it could have been any of the other parts where he was, you know, about to break his arm jacking himself off because he doesn't drink or smoke pot.

How did that make you think he's "about to break his arm jacking himself off because he doesn't drink or smoke pot" ?

Or are you just not interested in making a legitimate argument?

[thspfc]

So yes, some people can get addicted to cannabis, but those people are just as likely to get addicted to alcohol or working out or buying Blu-Rays of Live with Regis and Kathie Lee.

This is like saying "there's a 50/50 chance you win the lottery, because you either do or you don't."  Some things are way more addictive than others. (I'm not saying that cannabis is the most addictive or dangerously addictive.)

[Scott5114]

So yes, some people can get addicted to cannabis, but those people are just as likely to get addicted to alcohol or working out or buying Blu-Rays of Live with Regis and Kathie Lee.

This is like saying "there's a 50/50 chance you win the lottery, because you either do or you don't."  Some things are way more addictive than others. (I'm not saying that cannabis is the most addictive or dangerously addictive.)

I'm saying that's not a function of the cannabis, I'm saying it's a function of the person using it. When it does occur, it's not a chemical dependence (i.e. there are no "withdrawals"), it's a behavioral addiction, which has different root causes.

[thspfc]

So yes, some people can get addicted to cannabis, but those people are just as likely to get addicted to alcohol or working out or buying Blu-Rays of Live with Regis and Kathie Lee.

This is like saying "there's a 50/50 chance you win the lottery, because you either do or you don't."  Some things are way more addictive than others. (I'm not saying that cannabis is the most addictive or dangerously addictive.)

I'm saying that's not a function of the cannabis, I'm saying it's a function of the person using it. When it does occur, it's not a chemical dependence (i.e. there are no "withdrawals"), it's a behavioral addiction, which has different root causes.

The use of "more likely"  doesn't fit with this. You're trying to turn quantitative into qualitative.

[Scott5114]

So yes, some people can get addicted to cannabis, but those people are just as likely to get addicted to alcohol or working out or buying Blu-Rays of Live with Regis and Kathie Lee.

This is like saying "there's a 50/50 chance you win the lottery, because you either do or you don't."  Some things are way more addictive than others. (I'm not saying that cannabis is the most addictive or dangerously addictive.)

I'm saying that's not a function of the cannabis, I'm saying it's a function of the person using it. When it does occur, it's not a chemical dependence (i.e. there are no "withdrawals"), it's a behavioral addiction, which has different root causes.

The use of "more likely"  doesn't fit with this. You're trying to turn quantitative into qualitative.

something something quantity 420 something something quality time

[jeffandnicole]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

There's no sprinkler system or Exit signage in my house.

uh

Where's the emergency lighting?

[Scott5114]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

[mgk920]

Not to get into it and either, but it's paranoia. No amount of voting "anomalies" could offset an 8,000,000 or 11,000,000 majority for example. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Bush II vs Al Gore boiled down to a much smaller number of ballots. Presidential elections are decided in swing states, representative majorities  on different levels are decided in swing districts....

I agree, the Electoral College is a scam.  Get rid of that and there won't be any elections decided by swing states/districts, or by small margins (Gore won the national popular vote by about one million votes, as I recall).

The biggest problem with that it one word - 'recount'. Also, the USA's midsection (aka 'flyover country') world really become FLYOVER COUNTRY - only the interests of the biggest urban markets would ever get any attention from the media and the people in charge  (those founding fathers™ were really smart people!).

Mike

So everyone's vote would count equally?  How awful

"A 'democracy' is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for lunch.  'Liberty' is a well-armed sheep contesting the outcome."

Mike

[jeffandnicole]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

I'm one of our floor's fire captains, where we are supposed to do a walk around and make sure everyone gets out. When the alarm goes off, I'll wait a momemt. They tell us to tell everyone to leave. I'm not doing that. Again, they're grown ass adults. They know what to do. Only during my walk around will I say you gotta go if they're insistent on not leaving. If they don't, then I'll still leave and they'll get reported. I did my job.

During an earthquake a number of years ago, the alarm didn't go off, but someone said they're leaving and mentioned taking the elevator. I tried telling then that's the worse thing to do. She said she doesn't care, she's not walking down the steps.  She, overall, was not one of our brightest employees to begin with.

[kalvado]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

I'm one of our floor's fire captains, where we are supposed to do a walk around and make sure everyone gets out. When the alarm goes off, I'll wait a momemt. They tell us to tell everyone to leave. I'm not doing that. Again, they're grown ass adults. They know what to do. Only during my walk around will I say you gotta go if they're insistent on not leaving. If they don't, then I'll still leave and they'll get reported. I did my job.

During an earthquake a number of years ago, the alarm didn't go off, but someone said they're leaving and mentioned taking the elevator. I tried telling then that's the worse thing to do. She said she doesn't care, she's not walking down the steps.  She, overall, was not one of our brightest employees to begin with.

"A boy who cried wolf" is part of it.
I went through many annual evacuation drills. In a bad year, it was 3 in a single week as we have a big complex with evacuation drills done by the zone. Few low threat alarms from someone pulling the box accidentally to pizza slice in microwave set to 15 min instead of 15 seconds. Numerous chemical alarms about minor things.
The only time threat level was noticable (car on fire 3' from the building), it ended up with  voice over PA orders, not building alarm.
How seriously do I take those alarms?....
Fun fact : during POTUS visit on site most alarms were disarmed....

[Max Rockatansky]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

I'm one of our floor's fire captains, where we are supposed to do a walk around and make sure everyone gets out. When the alarm goes off, I'll wait a momemt. They tell us to tell everyone to leave. I'm not doing that. Again, they're grown ass adults. They know what to do. Only during my walk around will I say you gotta go if they're insistent on not leaving. If they don't, then I'll still leave and they'll get reported. I did my job.

During an earthquake a number of years ago, the alarm didn't go off, but someone said they're leaving and mentioned taking the elevator. I tried telling then that's the worse thing to do. She said she doesn't care, she's not walking down the steps.  She, overall, was not one of our brightest employees to begin with.

"A boy who cried wolf" is part of it.
I went through many annual evacuation drills. In a bad year, it was 3 in a single week as we have a big complex with evacuation drills done by the zone. Few low threat alarms from someone pulling the box accidentally to pizza slice in microwave set to 15 min instead of 15 seconds. Numerous chemical alarms about minor things.
The only time threat level was noticable (car on fire 3' from the building), it ended up with  voice over PA orders, not building alarm.
How seriously do I take those alarms?....
Fun fact : during POTUS visit on site most alarms were disarmed....

The nice thing for me being the safety manager is that I'm also usually the person on site with the most seniority.  Having the authority to tell people they don't have a choice in leaving is a huge help in evacuations.  During last week a kid pulled an alarm station at Starbucks which necessitated a building evacuation.  The Baja Fresh manager was giving two location supervisors trouble about evacuating until I got on the radio and told her to leave immediately.

[kalvado]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

I'm one of our floor's fire captains, where we are supposed to do a walk around and make sure everyone gets out. When the alarm goes off, I'll wait a momemt. They tell us to tell everyone to leave. I'm not doing that. Again, they're grown ass adults. They know what to do. Only during my walk around will I say you gotta go if they're insistent on not leaving. If they don't, then I'll still leave and they'll get reported. I did my job.

During an earthquake a number of years ago, the alarm didn't go off, but someone said they're leaving and mentioned taking the elevator. I tried telling then that's the worse thing to do. She said she doesn't care, she's not walking down the steps.  She, overall, was not one of our brightest employees to begin with.

"A boy who cried wolf" is part of it.
I went through many annual evacuation drills. In a bad year, it was 3 in a single week as we have a big complex with evacuation drills done by the zone. Few low threat alarms from someone pulling the box accidentally to pizza slice in microwave set to 15 min instead of 15 seconds. Numerous chemical alarms about minor things.
The only time threat level was noticable (car on fire 3' from the building), it ended up with  voice over PA orders, not building alarm.
How seriously do I take those alarms?....
Fun fact : during POTUS visit on site most alarms were disarmed....

The nice thing for me being the safety manager is that I'm also usually the person on site with the most seniority.  Having the authority to tell people they don't have a choice in leaving is a huge help in evacuations.  During last week a kid pulled an alarm station at Starbucks which necessitated a building evacuation.  The Baja Fresh manager was giving two location supervisors trouble about evacuating until I got on the radio and told her to leave immediately.

And the outcome is - according to the Murphy's law of unintended consequences- is that safety perceived not as a helping hand, but as that guy doing that dumb thing again. At some point it had become a net negative...

[kirbykart]

 Anything that asks you to wire money to a Nigerian prince.

[kalvado]

Anything that asks you to wire money to a Nigerian prince.

That's not a scam, that is Darwin natural selection process at work.

[Max Rockatansky]

If you don't know where the nearest exit is in your house, then your in a lot of trouble.

I've read stories about when fire alarms go off in stores, people say they aren't told what to do.  Since kindergarten, they've been told when an alarm goes off, go to the nearest exit.  Or, hey, go to AN exit.  Why do grown-ass adults need a 17 year old store employee to tell them to evacuate the store?

One time I was at work and the fire alarm went off. I immediately tossed the Window Closed sign up and started locking up the drawer. My supervisor asked me what I was doing. I said the fire alarm is going off so I'm evacuating. She said maybe we should wait until it's confirmed that it's not a false alarm. I said I'm not going to wait until it's too late to evacuate only to find out it's not a false alarm, and came out from behind the counter. As I was leaving, she was putting her sign up too and followed me out to the parking lot.

(Yeah, it was a false alarm. But if it hadn't been, it wouldn't have been the first casino I worked at that caught fire, so I wasn't going to take any chances.)

I'm one of our floor's fire captains, where we are supposed to do a walk around and make sure everyone gets out. When the alarm goes off, I'll wait a momemt. They tell us to tell everyone to leave. I'm not doing that. Again, they're grown ass adults. They know what to do. Only during my walk around will I say you gotta go if they're insistent on not leaving. If they don't, then I'll still leave and they'll get reported. I did my job.

During an earthquake a number of years ago, the alarm didn't go off, but someone said they're leaving and mentioned taking the elevator. I tried telling then that's the worse thing to do. She said she doesn't care, she's not walking down the steps.  She, overall, was not one of our brightest employees to begin with.

"A boy who cried wolf" is part of it.
I went through many annual evacuation drills. In a bad year, it was 3 in a single week as we have a big complex with evacuation drills done by the zone. Few low threat alarms from someone pulling the box accidentally to pizza slice in microwave set to 15 min instead of 15 seconds. Numerous chemical alarms about minor things.
The only time threat level was noticable (car on fire 3' from the building), it ended up with  voice over PA orders, not building alarm.
How seriously do I take those alarms?....
Fun fact : during POTUS visit on site most alarms were disarmed....

The nice thing for me being the safety manager is that I'm also usually the person on site with the most seniority.  Having the authority to tell people they don't have a choice in leaving is a huge help in evacuations.  During last week a kid pulled an alarm station at Starbucks which necessitated a building evacuation.  The Baja Fresh manager was giving two location supervisors trouble about evacuating until I got on the radio and told her to leave immediately.

And the outcome is - according to the Murphy's law of unintended consequences- is that safety perceived not as a helping hand, but as that guy doing that dumb thing again. At some point it had become a net negative...

The problem with our own company safety program is that the people directing had a "more is better"  approach for a long time.  If you over saturate safety two things tend to happen I've found:

-  Some people become dismissive of actual critical safety training because it is lumped in with a quagmire of fluff. 
-  Some people start reporting accidents they normally wouldn't have (or shouldn't have) which eventually leads to more medical claims.

I tend to prefer simplicity and keeping things like safety training to a minimum.  The reason our claims have gone down the last five years is something I would attribute more to not treating employees like babies more than anything else.

[ethanhopkin14]

Maybe all of the hundreds of people I have met who smoke the stuff were all naturally dingbats anyway (so smoking it truly had no effect)

everybody has their own unhealthy coping skills.  No need to break your arm jacking yourself off just because alcohol and marijuana aren't on your list.

I'm not sure which part of his post prompted you to write this.

The part I quoted, but really it could have been any of the other parts where he was, you know, about to break his arm jacking himself off because he doesn't drink or smoke pot.

Thank you for assuming I am deviantly pleasuring myself over this.  The contrary.  I don't think I even once talked about how awesome my life is because I don't partake in alcohol or marijuana.  I was mainly pointing out how I always get the "pot is organic so it's not bad for you" of the "it's healthier for you than alcohol so why is it illegal" routines from everyone I have ever met who does it and then I observe the way they act and I think to myself, the way you just spaced out on me has a lot to do why it's a controlled substance.  Never did I once say I am good, and you all are heathens for doing it.  I even said specifically that I don't care if anyone does it.  I personally would like it very much if everyone could not do any type of mind-altering drugs then drive, may it be marijuana, alcohol or meth.  I have seen what any of those things do to a person on them without driving, and it's not good.  I also know how awful some people drive stone cold sober.  I seem to hear a lot how it's perfectly fine for a person to smoke marijuana and drive from someone who does it, while I observe them space off and forget why they were standing there. 

I also don't care if anyone does it all they want, but if they work for me, as some do, don't so it at work and I would prefer you not do it before work, even though I have no control over what they do with their personal time.  As a manager, I get tired of giving the same direction over and over again, and in some cases for years. 

I have family members who have had addiction problems, so I have never had a holier than thou attitude toward people who use vs myself but thank you for assuming I do. 

My only points were I don't think it's as safe and harmless as users say it is, considering the people I have associated that do it.  I think, like a lot of things, a lot of mis-information gets propagated a lot along the way that mainly started as a way for users to justify what they do, not because any of it was hard facts.  There may be some facts to it, and a lot of it makes sense.  Smoking marijuana is probably way safer for you than drinking alcohol, I just think it's like saying drinking paint is better for you than drinking turpentine.  They are both not good for you, but one is better, I guess.

Again, I say that not because I am a better person for not, but I just want to please put a stop to the "marijuana is perfectly fine for you" campaign I hear.  It's not.  It alters your mind and it's permanent (not saying you trip forever, just that if you use something that alters your mind, you better believe it has some kind of lasting effect).