Limon should be a control city

[Scott5114]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Control states are shit.

[roadman65]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Or rather a town in Kansas.
Though actually I love the idea of state line being a 2nd tier on mileage signs, that seems very fitting.

Hays should be or even Topeka.

[JayhawkCO]

Man, how I love when people who live within 90 minutes of the Atlantic know what's best way out here.

[kalvado]

Man, how I love when people who live within 90 minutes of the Atlantic know what's best way out here.

Did you expect anything different?  I am waiting for some entrepreneur in either NYC or SFO to  open swimming school for fishes.

[Flint1979]

It's well known that each state's DOT chooses the control cities. So I'm just wondering why CDOT should go ahead and choose a city in Kansas over Limon? If it wasn't Limon they'd probably choose Burlington because it's pretty obvious that they are not into choosing a city in Kansas. Hays is 160 miles into Kansas and not that big of a city sure it's bigger than Burlington and Limon but it's 160 miles into Kansas and not that big. Is Hays the next control city going east? I don't see any control cities at any of the interchanges east of Limon in Colorado.

This is in Kansas. I see they are styling the word Hays in Craig County fashion.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.326152,-101.7260829,3a,15y,15.28h,89.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D118.80223%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

[Flint1979]

You people that hate Limon as a control city will only partly hate this interchange.

All from the same interchange.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3663243,-101.2042551,3a,15y,40.1h,91.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR59M_xSuJvv81N_wRl3VVA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3676854,-101.2041535,3a,15y,222.75h,87.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdDDSBoYwZacCgh_neTHJmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[Flint1979]

Man, how I love when people who live within 90 minutes of the Atlantic know what's best way out here.

If I was the one choosing the control cities I think I would go with Denver for WB and Topeka for EB but I understand Colorado not wanting to sign a city in Kansas when the first somewhat major stop along the route is Hays (160 miles into the state) but then again there isn't much and Burlington is bigger than Limon. I understand Limon though since it's a highway junction for the most part and a major stop along I-70 between Hays and Denver.

[Roadgeekteen]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Control states are shit.

What else do you put on there? Hays? Topeka works I guess but is very far.

It's well known that each state's DOT chooses the control cities. So I'm just wondering why CDOT should go ahead and choose a city in Kansas over Limon? If it wasn't Limon they'd probably choose Burlington because it's pretty obvious that they are not into choosing a city in Kansas. Hays is 160 miles into Kansas and not that big of a city sure it's bigger than Burlington and Limon but it's 160 miles into Kansas and not that big. Is Hays the next control city going east? I don't see any control cities at any of the interchanges east of Limon in Colorado.

This is in Kansas. I see they are styling the word Hays in Craig County fashion.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.326152,-101.7260829,3a,15y,15.28h,89.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D118.80223%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Provincialism in control cities is the worst. It's what leads to Moorhead being used on I-94, East St. Louis on I-55, and Council Bluffs on I-80.

[sprjus4]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Control states are shit.

What else do you put on there? Hays? Topeka works I guess but is very far.

So?

Are long-distance control cities not permitted? Seems far better than a small town.

[HighwayStar]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Control states are shit.

What else do you put on there? Hays? Topeka works I guess but is very far.

So?

Are long-distance control cities not permitted? Seems far better than a small town.

I think long distance control cities are appropriate as long as there is not an appropriate control city in between and we are keeping to the rule of at least one control city in each state.
542 miles between control cities however seems like a lot. South Dakota, which I consider a very good example of long distance control cities being acceptable, uses Sioux Falls and Rapid City with 340 miles between them. However both Hays and Selina are larger than Mitchell SD. Selina seems reasonable, as it is also a junction. Not sure about Hays. Selina to Denver is 435, still long, but not unreasonable.

[Roadgeekteen]

Not all states in the west do the small town thing, so all the westerners saying that people in the east don't know what best for the interior west, take a look at North Dakota, which uses Billings west of Bismarck, and Arizona, which only signs big cities.

[Flint1979]

Limon is fine as the middle line on a 3-line distance sign westbound. Probably eastbound too as kind of the last outpost.

The bottom line going east out of Denver should honestly be "Kansas border".

Control states are shit.

What else do you put on there? Hays? Topeka works I guess but is very far.

It's well known that each state's DOT chooses the control cities. So I'm just wondering why CDOT should go ahead and choose a city in Kansas over Limon? If it wasn't Limon they'd probably choose Burlington because it's pretty obvious that they are not into choosing a city in Kansas. Hays is 160 miles into Kansas and not that big of a city sure it's bigger than Burlington and Limon but it's 160 miles into Kansas and not that big. Is Hays the next control city going east? I don't see any control cities at any of the interchanges east of Limon in Colorado.

This is in Kansas. I see they are styling the word Hays in Craig County fashion.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.326152,-101.7260829,3a,15y,15.28h,89.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DP6NIPnCXXDNtLEIbEUu0eQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D118.80223%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Provincialism in control cities is the worst. It's what leads to Moorhead being used on I-94, East St. Louis on I-55, and Council Bluffs on I-80.

All three of those cites that are on the border with a bigger city are big enough on their own really. In the case with Colorado there is nothing and I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G in western Kansas that even makes any sense to be a control city over Limon or Burlington which should be the next control city after Limon really since we know CDOT wants to keep a Colorado city as long as possible which is fine with me.

[Flint1979]

Control cities are overrated. It's just a sign telling you the next city along the route pretty much. I think Michigan does control cities pretty damn good

[MattCollopy]

I love that limon being a control city became sort of a meme.Westbound I think they have it because it's where us-24 splits from I-70 and goes to Colorado Springs. colorado e470 in aurora coming off I-76 should not be signed for Limon though. I guess everything goes to Limon in colorado.

[SEWIGuy]

Control cities are overrated. It's just a sign telling you the next city along the route pretty much. I think Michigan does control cities pretty damn good

Amen. Roadgeeks obsess about these thing way more than the importance they actually have.

[JayhawkCO]

Control cities are overrated. It's just a sign telling you the next city along the route pretty much. I think Michigan does control cities pretty damn good

Amen. Roadgeeks obsess about these thing way more than the importance they actually have.

Says the guy who essentially called me a liar for posting a distance sign and calling it evidence of a control city

[jlam]

Every sign in Colorado, BGS or not, should include Limon. Everybody should know how far it is from every location to an exit for a highway that makes a beeline for Boise City, Oklahoma.

[SEWIGuy]

Control cities are overrated. It's just a sign telling you the next city along the route pretty much. I think Michigan does control cities pretty damn good

Amen. Roadgeeks obsess about these thing way more than the importance they actually have.

Says the guy who essentially called me a liar for posting a distance sign and calling it evidence of a control city

Never said you were lying. Just wrong. And now weirdly obsessed about it too.

[roadman65]

Live with it. Just like Highwaystar has to live with Baltimore and some have to live with Wilmington on the NJ Turnpike.

Limon is here to stay. Get used to it.

[zachary_amaryllis]

I love that limon being a control city became sort of a meme.Westbound I think they have it because it's where us-24 splits from I-70 and goes to Colorado Springs. colorado e470 in aurora coming off I-76 should not be signed for Limon though. I guess everything goes to Limon in colorado.

It makes perfect sense. You're probably not going to keep following 76 to Limon. Moist people would exit onto the e-fo-seven-dizzle, and follow that to 70 east.

[Roadgeekteen]

Live with it. Just like Highwaystar has to live with Baltimore and some have to live with Wilmington on the NJ Turnpike.

Limon is here to stay. Get used to it.

That could be used to shut down discussion about 90% of the forum, including any thread where we complain about speed limits and bad signage.

[roadman65]

One thing to State your opinion, but to whine redundantly is way overboard.

[Flint1979]

If none of you people knew that Limon was a control city we wouldn't be having this discussion but for some reason Limon gets shot down by roadgeeks simply because it's not a big enough place? I've read up on control cities and one thing they mention is that there is not a limit on how big a place has to be in order to be a control city. Like I've said before Mackinac Bridge is a control city in Michigan, it's a bridge not a city and makes perfect sense as a control city, St. Ignace is used in the U.P. instead of Mackinac Bridge until you get to St. Ignace then Mackinac Bridge is used followed by Saginaw in the Lower Peninsula but St. Ignace is slightly bigger than Limon and pretty much a major stop on I-75 in the U.P.

But anyway Limon is fine as a control city, it's a known place in Colorado, it doesn't have to be known in New York or Massachusetts or Michigan but it is known in Colorado and considered a hub city in eastern Colorado due to the highway junction which is exactly why it's a control city, has nothing to do with the size of the community.

[roadman65]

What's more odd is that KDOT is been using it west of Hays on I-70 as well. To me it would seem logical to go for Denver at that point or use Goodland Or Burlington for a reference point in Kansas, but I'm sure they have their reasons in the Sunflower State.

[sprjus4]

If none of you people knew that Limon was a control city we wouldn't be having this discussion but for some reason Limon gets shot down by roadgeeks simply because it's not a big enough place? I've read up on control cities and one thing they mention is that there is not a limit on how big a place has to be in order to be a control city. Like I've said before Mackinac Bridge is a control city in Michigan, it's a bridge not a city and makes perfect sense as a control city, St. Ignace is used in the U.P. instead of Mackinac Bridge until you get to St. Ignace then Mackinac Bridge is used followed by Saginaw in the Lower Peninsula but St. Ignace is slightly bigger than Limon and pretty much a major stop on I-75 in the U.P.

I don't think the issue is size, it's the fact there's better control cities to use. I'm not arguing one way or another on the issue, I'm just pointing that out.