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I-69 in TN

Started by Grzrd, November 27, 2010, 06:15:29 PM

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sprjus4



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Quote from: Chris on February 21, 2024, 01:18:48 PM
OpenStreetMap and Wikipedia both have the exits numbered as 141 - 148. That's 7 miles. However if you measure the bypass on Google Earth it's over 10 miles and maybe closer to 11 miles with all the curves.



OSM got the numbers from Wikipedia as far as I know.  Not sure who added them to OSM however, as I haven't checked the history of those nodes.

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 21, 2024, 10:45:32 PM
https://www.wbbjtv.com/2024/02/21/state-route-690-opens-for-travelers-in-obion-county/

From the pictures in this article, it looks like there's no exit numbers.

Anyways, based on this post, I've quickly gone ahead and removed the numbers from OSM.

Rick Powell

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 21, 2024, 10:32:39 AM
Look at the Shelby Bypass in North Carolina, I'd rather have part of it be built first just to get it laid out. Complete it as money allows. It doesn't have to function as the mainline I-69 or US-51 immediately if it causes a backtrack.

FYI here is the Troy Bypass budget item in the state TIP, see p. 81

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/programdevelopment/2023-2026-stip-draft/Tennessee%20STIP%202023-2026%20Final_R%205-19-23.pdf

ITB

Quote from: Rick Powell on February 23, 2024, 09:24:35 AM

FYI here is the Troy Bypass budget item in the state TIP, see p. 81

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/programdevelopment/2023-2026-stip-draft/Tennessee%20STIP%202023-2026%20Final_R%205-19-23.pdf

It's a welcome development to see the first phase of the Troy bypass in the State TIP. According to the document, the 90M project is fully funded and budgeted for FY25. If this is accurate and up to date, it leads me to assume the contract will be let either late this year or early next, with construction to commence soon thereafter. Maybe I'm missing something, but is that how others see it as well?

ITB


^^^^^

Well, in regards to the above, I did miss something. For some reason, I thought the TIP document reflected actual budgeted funding, when, in actuality, it only identified probable projected funding. This is made clear in the Proposed FY 2024-2026 Comprehensive Multimodal Program, submitted to the 113th Tennessee General Assembly, April 6, 2023, which does not include the first phase of the Troy bypass among the funded projects.

Now I know most of you who follow I-69 in Tennessee were already aware of this, and, on reflection, I did too. But seeing that FY25 in the TIP document made me reconsider, but wrongly. Yes, the project is construction ready, but, obviously, it's not a priority or it would be funded. I guess it's possible the project will pop up on the funded list sometime in the next few years, particularly if additional funds become available. More likely, however, it'll probably only move forward after the north Obion County segment has been funded.


Rick Powell

#1005
Quote from: ITB on February 23, 2024, 11:49:26 PM
I guess it's possible the project will pop up on the funded list sometime in the next few years, particularly if additional funds become available. More likely, however, it'll probably only move forward after the north Obion County segment has been funded.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/build-with-us/Updated%2010-Year%20Project%20Plan_21.pdf

Here's an interesting item I have commented on before. The above is TN's first-ever 10-year plan, released last December after the STIP had been released earlier last year. It includes $127.7M for I-69 in Obion County, and infers that it's for the state line interchange. However, the earlier STIP says the interchange will come in at $60M. And I'm sure KY will contribute since a good chunk of the project is on their side of the state line (or maybe the $60M is just TDOT's portion). That leaves $67M, more or less, for I-69 and maybe some work on the Troy bypass, if the money is not diverted to something else. If we were insiders at TDOT, we'd know more about the internal advancement of the Troy bypass...you couldn't think about construction in FY25 without some good progress on design plans and land acquisition.

GreenLanternCorps

As of this morning Google maps has added the TN 690 Union City bypass, but has it signed as I-69.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4477828,-89.0534829,11z

edwaleni

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 26, 2024, 01:18:30 PM
As of this morning Google maps has added the TN 690 Union City bypass, but has it signed as I-69.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4477828,-89.0534829,11z

But they still show the southbound exit ramp to US45W as closed until June of 2024. Perhaps this is the "sinker" someone noted earlier.

jlam

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 26, 2024, 01:18:30 PM
As of this morning Google maps has added the TN 690 Union City bypass, but has it signed as I-69.

That's Google Maps for you. This isn't even the only future segment of I-69 erroneously signed as such. I-69 in Indiana is marked up to I-465 along surface streets on Google Maps. Good luck getting Google to listen to a report.

ilpt4u

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 26, 2024, 01:18:30 PM
As of this morning Google maps has added the TN 690 Union City bypass, but has it signed as I-69.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4477828,-89.0534829,11z
Shielded as I-69, but in text over the freeway: "Tennessee State Rte 690"

Very similar to how Google Maps took a long time to give IL 390 a Shield (literally years), but had the text-based name of "IL 390 Tollway" along the route for quite a while. That is a bit of that route's history, since before ISTHA took over the roadway from IDOT, the route was unnumbered and known merely as the "Elgin-O'Hare Expressway"

The Ghostbuster

I can't wait for Google Maps Street View to be updated so we all can travel the Interstate 69 Union City Bypass without having to get off our computers. Also, as I previously mentioned, I hope it doesn't take as long to build the Troy Bypass.

Great Lakes Roads

I drove on the Union City Bypass yesterday (Sunday, February 25)... a video of me driving both directions will be going up on my YouTube page on February 29th.

Here are my observations:

1. The control cities on SR 690 are Fulton, KY (northbound) and Dyersburg (southbound).
2. The exit ramps to SB US 51 on the north end are currently closed (I don't know why).
3. There are SIX exits for Union City, and the city has a population of ~11k.
4. Let's hope that it doesn't take another 10+ years to build the Troy Bypass.
-Jay Seaburg

GreenLanternCorps

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 26, 2024, 11:36:35 PM
I drove on the Union City Bypass yesterday (Sunday, February 25)... a video of me driving both directions will be going up on my YouTube page on February 29th.

Here are my observations:

1. The control cities on SR 690 are Fulton, KY (northbound) and Dyersburg (southbound).
2. The exit ramps to SB US 51 on the north end are currently closed (I don't know why).
3. There are SIX exits for Union City, and the city has a population of ~11k.
4. Let's hope that it doesn't take another 10+ years to build the Troy Bypass.

Looking forward to it, northbound or southbound?

As far as the six exits are concerned, it is what it is.  Adding the ramps during initial construction is probably cheaper than adding them later.

Great Lakes Roads

-Jay Seaburg

civilengineeringnerd

man the union city bypass looks great.
Every once in awhile declare peace! it confuses the hell outta your enemies!

Rick Powell

Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 27, 2024, 06:58:35 AM
As far as the six exits are concerned, it is what it is.  Adding the ramps during initial construction is probably cheaper than adding them later.

Watching the videos, it seemed that there were additional exit signs coming up right after passing each exit. About twice the number of exits you'd expect for a town of 11,000 but I'm sure there are other comparables across the US.

froggie

North(east) of Brevard Rd technically meets FHWA rural spacing criteria of 3 miles, so I'd make the argument that it's more like FOUR interchanges with "town spacing" instead of six.

One comparison: Austin, MN has 7.5 interchanges along I-90, though to be fair Austin is about twice the size of Union City.

civilengineeringnerd

at the very least, the new freeway would encourage more development in union city tn, with the expectation of the freeway being completed to dyersburg in the future. you'll likely see some additional development, as union city starts to grow into a good size town and a mini regional centre of commerce for northwest tennesse, the missouri bootheel and southeastern missouri, far western kentucky, and northeastern arkansas.
i imagine the city might replace dyersburg in a way, as recent decades since I-155 being built has not been kind to that town.
another thing that could happen is both towns acting as a set of twin cities, union city providing the jobs and tourism, while dyersburg acts like a suburb and regional population centre of commerce.
whatever happens in the coming decades tho, its gonna be great for both towns.
Every once in awhile declare peace! it confuses the hell outta your enemies!

edwaleni

#1018
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on March 04, 2024, 08:08:34 AM
at the very least, the new freeway would encourage more development in union city tn, with the expectation of the freeway being completed to dyersburg in the future. you'll likely see some additional development, as union city starts to grow into a good size town and a mini regional centre of commerce for northwest tennesse, the missouri bootheel and southeastern missouri, far western kentucky, and northeastern arkansas.
i imagine the city might replace dyersburg in a way, as recent decades since I-155 being built has not been kind to that town.
another thing that could happen is both towns acting as a set of twin cities, union city providing the jobs and tourism, while dyersburg acts like a suburb and regional population centre of commerce.
whatever happens in the coming decades tho, its gonna be great for both towns.

In some TDOT strategic planning document I saw several years ago, there is a plan to connect Union City to Cates Landing Port Facility on the Mississippi by making several improvements to TN-22. At the same time, TNDOT wants to connect the Port of Cates Landing to the national railroad network by building a state owned spur from the port to the TennKenn Railroad to a point near Wright.


civilengineeringnerd

Quote from: edwaleni on March 04, 2024, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on March 04, 2024, 08:08:34 AM
at the very least, the new freeway would encourage more development in union city tn, with the expectation of the freeway being completed to dyersburg in the future. you'll likely see some additional development, as union city starts to grow into a good size town and a mini regional centre of commerce for northwest tennesse, the missouri bootheel and southeastern missouri, far western kentucky, and northeastern arkansas.
i imagine the city might replace dyersburg in a way, as recent decades since I-155 being built has not been kind to that town.
another thing that could happen is both towns acting as a set of twin cities, union city providing the jobs and tourism, while dyersburg acts like a suburb and regional population centre of commerce.
whatever happens in the coming decades tho, its gonna be great for both towns.

In some TDOT strategic planning document I saw several years ago, there is a plan to connect Union City to Cates Landing Port Facility on the Mississippi by making several improvements to TN-21. At the same time, TNDOT wants to connect the Port of Cates Landing to the national railroad network by building a state owned spur from the port to the TennKenn Railroad to a point near Wright.
thats another good way of doing it. the paducah riverport helped that town grow when kentucky built the riverport some time ago, and last i heard some years ago, the riverport was getting some upgrades.
the interstate combined with the cates landing port and the railroad line to the tennkenn railroad is a good way of getting goods over longer distances.
especially if they decide to turn TN-22 into a freeway to huntingdon.
Every once in awhile declare peace! it confuses the hell outta your enemies!

rte66man

Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on March 05, 2024, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 04, 2024, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on March 04, 2024, 08:08:34 AMat the very least, the new freeway would encourage more development in union city tn, with the expectation of the freeway being completed to dyersburg in the future. you'll likely see some additional development, as union city starts to grow into a good size town and a mini regional centre of commerce for northwest tennesse, the missouri bootheel and southeastern missouri, far western kentucky, and northeastern arkansas.
i imagine the city might replace dyersburg in a way, as recent decades since I-155 being built has not been kind to that town.
another thing that could happen is both towns acting as a set of twin cities, union city providing the jobs and tourism, while dyersburg acts like a suburb and regional population centre of commerce.
whatever happens in the coming decades tho, its gonna be great for both towns.

In some TDOT strategic planning document I saw several years ago, there is a plan to connect Union City to Cates Landing Port Facility on the Mississippi by making several improvements to TN-21. At the same time, TNDOT wants to connect the Port of Cates Landing to the national railroad network by building a state owned spur from the port to the TennKenn Railroad to a point near Wright.
thats another good way of doing it. the paducah riverport helped that town grow when kentucky built the riverport some time ago, and last i heard some years ago, the riverport was getting some upgrades.
the interstate combined with the cates landing port and the railroad line to the tennkenn railroad is a good way of getting goods over longer distances.
especially if they decide to turn TN-22 into a freeway to huntingdon.

My prediction: It will never happen. The TennKen is in terrible shape. TnDOT will have to upgrade it first. As for TN22, I'm assuming they will leave the current westbound before it turns south at Reelfoot Lake. A LOT of new terrain road through some ecologically sensitive areas adjacent to the Reelfoot WMA.
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civilengineeringnerd

has anything new in the news on I-69 come up? its been a couple of months
Every once in awhile declare peace! it confuses the hell outta your enemies!

The Ghostbuster

Google Maps Street View hasn't been updated to include the TN 690/future Interstate 69 Union City Bypass yet. Outside of that, I've heard nothing new.

Rick Powell


Rothman

Quote from: Rick Powell on June 02, 2024, 11:12:02 PM
Quote from: civilengineeringnerd on May 21, 2024, 12:53:11 PMhas anything new in the news on I-69 come up? its been a couple of months

How about $10M in federal funding for the Troy bypass?
https://www.wbbjtv.com/2024/03/08/congressman-david-kustoff-secures-funding-for-west-tennessee-highway-projects/

*perks up*

Oh, this isn't about NY...

*perks down*
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