Traffic signal

[steviep24]

A few permanently darkened signals in Niagara Falls, NY. They are not covered.

I've been through that area a few times and have never seen them working. No one stops at these lights  either.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0826505,-79.0239058,3a,75y,100.18h,89.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sheLqO84wa98M1NgBHG-OlQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DheLqO84wa98M1NgBHG-OlQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D100.18049915814592%26pitch%3D0.700266074719508%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&coh=205410&entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0824723,-79.0213671,3a,37.5y,107.97h,87.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8qq0WoeJ4YjzL5-Y_wJ1Ag!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D8qq0WoeJ4YjzL5-Y_wJ1Ag%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D107.97365316265626%26pitch%3D2.8461628113388002%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&coh=205410&entry=ttu

[SignBridge]

That's a surprise. I believe the Manual requires them to be covered or turned away from traffic if not actually in operation.

[steviep24]

That's a surprise. I believe the Manual requires them to be covered or turned away from traffic if not actually in operation.

I looked at older street views. It appears one of the signals was operating as a beacon in 2020 and both were operating as beacons in 2017 and older.

I have used this route a few times to get from Niagara Falls Park to Fashion Outlets Mall. Road is signed as NY 384 but is definitely not NYSDOT maintained there.

[roadman65]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53861234991
Why does Missouri use pedestals to support their signal poles?

[Rothman]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/53861234991
Why does Missouri use pedestals to support their signal poles?

Not unique to MO.  Not sure when pedestals are used and when they aren't, but you certainly see similar set ups here and there in NY.

[SignBridge]

Could be to raise the height of the mast-arm so the signal heads will be the required minimum height over the road at locations where the mounting spot is lower than usual? Just a guess...... 

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2QMWwE3KUdHJDoVBA

Here one in Perth Amboy, NJ to show movements of the two merging area by using green arrows instead of the usual green ball.

[Big John]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2QMWwE3KUdHJDoVBA

Here one in Perth Amboy, NJ to show movements of the two merging area by using green arrows instead of the usual green ball.

with RYG pedestrian signals and a conflicting right green arrow with the pedestrian signal being green.

[mrsman]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2QMWwE3KUdHJDoVBA

Here one in Perth Amboy, NJ to show movements of the two merging area by using green arrows instead of the usual green ball.

with RYG pedestrian signals and a conflicting right green arrow with the pedestrian signal being green.

There are tons of MUTCD violations out there.  And there are tons of old signals that do not meet the current standards.  But this should be updated because of the safety implications you raise.  And the exit sign from 440 that leads to this is pretty horrible too.

So at minimum, the pedestrian RYG should be updated to normal pedestrian signals and the right turn green arrow should be updated to a right turn FYA. And a sign indicating no right turn from the off-ramp onto Amboy Ave.

[jeffandnicole]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2QMWwE3KUdHJDoVBA

Here one in Perth Amboy, NJ to show movements of the two merging area by using green arrows instead of the usual green ball.

with RYG pedestrian signals and a conflicting right green arrow with the pedestrian signal being green.

There are tons of MUTCD violations out there.  And there are tons of old signals that do not meet the current standards.  But this should be updated because of the safety implications you raise.  And the exit sign from 440 that leads to this is pretty horrible too.

So at minimum, the pedestrian RYG should be updated to normal pedestrian signals and the right turn green arrow should be updated to a right turn FYA. And a sign indicating no right turn from the off-ramp onto Amboy Ave.

In NJ, other than one location, NJDOT doesn't use the FYA, so that would be off the table. They could switch to a green ball and be fine though.

[mrsman]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2QMWwE3KUdHJDoVBA

Here one in Perth Amboy, NJ to show movements of the two merging area by using green arrows instead of the usual green ball.

with RYG pedestrian signals and a conflicting right green arrow with the pedestrian signal being green.

There are tons of MUTCD violations out there.  And there are tons of old signals that do not meet the current standards.  But this should be updated because of the safety implications you raise.  And the exit sign from 440 that leads to this is pretty horrible too.

So at minimum, the pedestrian RYG should be updated to normal pedestrian signals and the right turn green arrow should be updated to a right turn FYA. And a sign indicating no right turn from the off-ramp onto Amboy Ave.

In NJ, other than one location, NJDOT doesn't use the FYA, so that would be off the table. They could switch to a green ball and be fine though.

Sure. That would work.  They need to emphasize that left turns are not allowed from that side of the intersection.  There is a no left turn sign, but it needs to be more prominent. Also, in some places, a no left turn is emphasized like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0763798,-118.2921593,3a,30y,88.56h,85.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soEn2bXSD7HfjuMwKH-hbYQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DoEn2bXSD7HfjuMwKH-hbYQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D88.55711537178665%26pitch%3D4.151893736519597%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

The left most signal has a green straight arrow instead of a green ball. 

So back at the signal in Perth Amoboy, they can leave the green straight arrow for the signal near the big Amboy Ave sign, and replace all of the right arrow / straight arrow combinations with a green ball.  Yes, that would work just as well and be a much cheaper replacement.

[roadman65]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=8288368257864391&set=a.356030374431592&type=3

New York City and their 8-8-8-12-12.

Plus they like to mount signals to light posts considering most places use their own separate poles to accomplish this.

[fwydriver405]

In NJ, other than one location, NJDOT doesn't use the FYA, so that would be off the table.

I believe there's a second location in North Bergen, in addition to the Piscataway location (also a right facing FYA, but North Bergen's is a 3-section fully permissive FYA), according to GSV, it was activated in 2012 or 13. Unsure if this is a NJDOT or town installation.

[jakeroot]

In NJ, other than one location, NJDOT doesn't use the FYA, so that would be off the table.

I believe there's a second location in North Bergen, in addition to the Piscataway location (also a right facing FYA, but North Bergen's is a 3-section fully permissive FYA), according to GSV, it was activated in 2012 or 13. Unsure if this is a NJDOT or town installation.

Hmm... yield "to" the flashing yellow in North Bergen? That's an unusual regulatory request...

[roadman65]

In NJ, other than one location, NJDOT doesn't use the FYA, so that would be off the table.

I believe there's a second location in North Bergen, in addition to the Piscataway location (also a right facing FYA, but North Bergen's is a 3-section fully permissive FYA), according to GSV, it was activated in 2012 or 13. Unsure if this is a NJDOT or town installation.

Hmm... yield "to" the flashing yellow in North Bergen? That's an unusual regulatory request...

So are those mast arms? So UN Jerseylike.


On another note, Louisiana I see for their new mast arms are using the same poles and arms. Rather than smooth round mono tubes they are using flat surface sides on the arms.  Plus no bolts to support the arm, but instead fitted into the pole with a locking collar.

[epzik8]

One of the reds on this signal in Maryland is out, though the green is functional. Don't know about the yellow. If I'm not mistaken, this has been an issue for quite a while at this signal.

[SignBridge]

One of the reds on this signal in Maryland is out, though the green is functional. Don't know about the yellow. If I'm not mistaken, this has been an issue for quite a while at this signal.

Did you call in the bulb outage to the Authority Having Jurisdiction ?  Where I live on Long Island if you report that to the County DPW's traffic signal dept. during business hours it usually gets fixed the same day. Not true with NY State traffic signals unfortunately. But Nassau County is pretty good.

[CJResotko]

These traffic lights at this drawbridge in Charlevoix, Michigan, used to be just regular red-yellow-green signals, but for whatever reason, between 2022 and 2023, they switched the green to flashing yellow.
Northbound signals
Southbound signals
You can look at the GSV dates to see what the signals were like before.

[Big John]

These traffic lights at this drawbridge in Charlevoix, Michigan, used to be just regular red-yellow-green signals, but for whatever reason, between 2022 and 2023, they switched the green to flashing yellow.
Northbound signals
Southbound signals
You can look at the GSV dates to see what the signals were like before.

Switched from a compliant draw bridge signal to a misapplication of an emergency signal.

[SignBridge]

These traffic lights at this drawbridge in Charlevoix, Michigan, used to be just regular red-yellow-green signals, but for whatever reason, between 2022 and 2023, they switched the green to flashing yellow.
Northbound signals
Southbound signals
You can look at the GSV dates to see what the signals were like before.

Switched from a compliant draw bridge signal to a misapplication of an emergency signal.

Wonder for what reason the local authorities changed it........

[Revive 755]

These traffic lights at this drawbridge in Charlevoix, Michigan, used to be just regular red-yellow-green signals, but for whatever reason, between 2022 and 2023, they switched the green to flashing yellow.
Northbound signals
Southbound signals
You can look at the GSV dates to see what the signals were like before.

Switched from a compliant draw bridge signal to a misapplication of an emergency signal.

At least they didn't put up a hybrid beacon . . .

This one is tricky with the crosswalks and parking lot access at either end of the bridge.  Given the conflicts the flashing yellow does seem a little more appropriate than a steady green.

[plain]

This ground mounted signal was knocked down sometime yesterday evening. Miraculously it still works!

Monument Ave at N. Robinson St in Richmond

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HdhdzbFf4yhVs4WX6?g_st=ac


Images from early this morning



moto g(7) optimo (XT1952DL)

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/t3ux356j5GeJhYvo6
Typical traffic light in Wyoming at Route junctions.

[roadfro]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/t3ux356j5GeJhYvo6
Typical traffic light in Wyoming at Route junctions.

Interesting that they have all that signage on the mast arms, which can detract from the signal. Conventional wisdom would suggest that signage be placed slightly upstream.

[cockroachking]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/t3ux356j5GeJhYvo6
Typical traffic light in Wyoming at Route junctions.

Interesting that they have all that signage on the mast arms, which can detract from the signal. Conventional wisdom would suggest that signage be placed slightly upstream.

Not to mention that there is only one overhead signal in the first place, which already complicates things in terms of signal visibility.