Freeway entrance signage pointing to the route AFTER the one you're getting on

Started by TheStranger, July 17, 2024, 05:45:05 AM

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roadman65

#25
July 23, 2024, 08:28:30 PM  
https://maps.app.goo.gl/L8faR3CkKUFH5whc8
The ramp to NJ 24 is really I-78 local to NJ Route 24 starting from Exit 48 in 1 mile.

The reason is the Express I-78 has a ramp beyond this ramp and signed for I-78 through traffic.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

roadman65

#26
July 23, 2024, 08:34:27 PM  
Quote from: TheStranger on July 17, 2024, 05:45:05 AMA unique situation I just discovered while looking at one of the more common instances of CalTrans's usage of the "Implied TO" type of signing:

in much of the area where US 101 runs on the Santa Ana Freeway, the signage instead points to the routes that 101 ends at, which is 10 east and 5 south.  (This is in part because of I-5 taking over the vast majority of the Santa Ana Freeway length after the remaining 101 portion has reached its end)
example of that:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0612711,-118.2497219,3a,75y,48.52h,106.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjP-Nj31CyQaX8Tx8xPErug!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DjP-Nj31CyQaX8Tx8xPErug%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D48.52048342311423%26pitch%3D-16.03120712122032%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

(Since about 2009, US 101 southbound at that point is now signed as "US 101 TO 5/10/60" to make it very clear that 101 continues south past the Four-Level, and south past the San Bernardino Split)

There's one example of this where the freeway entrance sign points to US 101 south still, despite the overhead signage only identifying I-5 and I-10 -
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0547998,-118.2394841,3a,75y,118.26h,87.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sr6Rtglqu05HvTjBibvrYig!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dr6Rtglqu05HvTjBibvrYig%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D118.25960775984123%26pitch%3D2.589658137025495%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

However - and this is the key concept of the thread! - this also results in a situation in which a surface-street onramp along Aliso Street (itself former US 101) points to "I-5 South - Santa Ana Freeway" with no 101 signage present, despite I-5 not arriving onto the Santa Ana Freeway for another 2 1/4 miles!
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0522379,-118.2259128,3a,75y,89.61h,101.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sA0FnS2iPFyjhE92DzZgJgQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DA0FnS2iPFyjhE92DzZgJgQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D89.61430503239575%26pitch%3D-11.57842501381218%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

This despite the fact that the first signs for this very ramp (at Mission Road) do mention 101!!!
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0524731,-118.2265998,3a,75y,124.64h,91.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssyGeRh4fPkkZh0s0n6HuKQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DsyGeRh4fPkkZh0s0n6HuKQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D124.6412808047512%26pitch%3D-1.5212888448526058%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

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I remembered an example of this closer to home, Route 82 at I-380, where the ramp from Route 82 north to 380 east only mentions 101:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6324355,-122.4185985,3a,34.5y,352.96h,97.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZGFRmIjMPfOPCKhN2yvKWg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DZGFRmIjMPfOPCKhN2yvKWg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D352.9644530298146%26pitch%3D-7.090060390508867%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

The southbound ramp from Route 82 used to be like this too, but now includes a I-380 shield:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6322724,-122.4189643,3a,75y,180.87h,92.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sOKQO9E0eokfenyhL1g_lBw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DOKQO9E0eokfenyhL1g_lBw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D180.86608814737693%26pitch%3D-2.1169527062942564%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu




https://maps.app.goo.gl/gVkufDjs5pPx9FWo6
The 110 exit ramp guide at least acknowledges that US 101 exists south of the Four Level and I-5 NB is later accessible via straight through 110 as well.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

mrsman

#27
August 29, 2024, 02:16:07 PM  
^^^^^

Sure, but look at the horrible signage that is there.

Out of all those choices of routes, there is only one control city, Ventura, listed.

(IMO Hollywood is better since it denotes the Hollywood Fwy, but that is a minor point.)

The signage should list Sacramento and Pasadena as controls for the left side signs. 


The right side should look like this:

SOUTH        EAST   SOUTH   EAST
<101>   TO   <10>    <5>    <60>
          San Bernardino
             Santa Ana

Namely listing the control cities that have been part of these signs for a very long time (and are still useful to drving public).  And listing the highways in the order of how they will split downstream along US 101's lanes 2 miles to the southeast of here.  (Left lanes to 10, middle lanes to 5, and far right lane to 60)

So yes there is a value to letting traffic know that this last stretch is still part of 101.  But the control destinations are important. 

I think that the reason why there is a mix of both the new signage (101 to 5/10/60) and the older signage (5/10 Santa Ana / San Bernardino) is because Caltrans does acknowledge that all the pieces of information are important, they just don't know how to put it all on one main sign.  It is very important to guide people to Santa Ana and San Bernardino and it is also important that people so guided should realize they are not yet on I-10 or I-5.

bzakharin

#29
September 05, 2024, 04:08:39 PM  
Quote from: roadman65 on July 23, 2024, 08:28:30 PMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/L8faR3CkKUFH5whc8
The ramp to NJ 24 is really I-78 local to NJ Route 24 starting from Exit 48 in 1 mile.

The reason is the Express I-78 has a ramp beyond this ramp and signed for I-78 through traffic.
A similar situation used to exist near the western terminus of the Atlantic City Expressway at Exit 44. The exit was signed for Northbound NJ 168. In reality the exit merges with Northbound NJ 42 just ahead of the terminus, allowing traffic to take the exit from NJ 42 to NJ 168 (even that exit is only TO NJ 168). The exit signage was recently replaced with TO signage as well as adding Southbound NJ 42 and CR 705. Northbound NJ 42 is still not mentioned because the mainline terminates at Northbound NJ 42 just ahead.
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