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Started by webny99, February 04, 2020, 02:35:53 PM

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webny99

A lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.


JayhawkCO

Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

Why exactly is it not a good look? He has five unnecessary roughness penalties in the last 18 games, the last of which was last week. This is the highest of any player in the NFL. It only makes sense to penalize him for the next game, regardless of the opponent. Think of it like yellow card accumulation in soccer.

hobsini2

Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 25, 2024, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

Why exactly is it not a good look? He has five unnecessary roughness penalties in the last 18 games, the last of which was last week. This is the highest of any player in the NFL. It only makes sense to penalize him for the next game, regardless of the opponent. Think of it like yellow card accumulation in soccer.
Can we yellow (and red eventually) card some of the play by play announcers and analysts? Asking for a friend.
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webny99

Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 25, 2024, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

Why exactly is it not a good look? He has five unnecessary roughness penalties in the last 18 games, the last of which was last week. This is the highest of any player in the NFL. It only makes sense to penalize him for the next game, regardless of the opponent. Think of it like yellow card accumulation in soccer.

I don't know the ins and outs of his issues as a player, it's just a very predictable discourse and one the NFL doesn't want (or at least shouldn't want).

JayhawkCO

#5954
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 25, 2024, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

Why exactly is it not a good look? He has five unnecessary roughness penalties in the last 18 games, the last of which was last week. This is the highest of any player in the NFL. It only makes sense to penalize him for the next game, regardless of the opponent. Think of it like yellow card accumulation in soccer.

I don't know the ins and outs of his issues as a player, it's just a very predictable discourse and one the NFL doesn't want (or at least shouldn't want).

I have no idea what that means. A player does something bad, he's punished for it the next game. I fail to see anything nefarious. And, I've posted this before, people who think sports are rigged are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

jlam

Last week was somehow crazier than week 2. A 7-9 record, barely ducking below .500.

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Bears 23 @ Colts 21 (7 pts off)
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 25, 2024, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 25, 2024, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

Why exactly is it not a good look? He has five unnecessary roughness penalties in the last 18 games, the last of which was last week. This is the highest of any player in the NFL. It only makes sense to penalize him for the next game, regardless of the opponent. Think of it like yellow card accumulation in soccer.

I don't know the ins and outs of his issues as a player, it's just a very predictable discourse and one the NFL doesn't want (or at least shouldn't want).

I have no idea what that means. A player does something bad, he's punished for it the next game. I fail to see anything nefarious. And, I've posted this before, people who think sports are rigged are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

Furthermore, they shouldn't bend the rules because some fringe group of people might think it looks nefarious.

thspfc

Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

webny99

Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.

Your first mistake is assuming much of anything on Twitter has any degree of credibility.

webny99

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 26, 2024, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.

Your first mistake is assuming much of anything on Twitter has any degree of credibility.

Thanks, I appreciate being told what my assumptions were. That's always a big credibility booster.  :thumbsup:

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 26, 2024, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.

Your first mistake is assuming much of anything on Twitter has any degree of credibility.

Thanks, I appreciate being told what my assumptions were. That's always a big credibility booster.  :thumbsup:

I mean hey, you're the one suggesting that the NFL should have been mindful of what conspiracy theorists think.  If you don't want people assuming things about what you say don't engage in hyperbole and then double down on it with Twitter nonsense.

hotdogPi

I don't see the big issue. This isn't soccer where the team is down a player.
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thspfc

Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.
Am I supposed to care about what 50,000 conspiracy theorists, 12 year old kids, and/or people with an incredible life-consuming hate for Taylor Swift think?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.
Am I supposed to care about what 50,000 conspiracy theorists, 12 year old kids, and/or people with an incredible life-consuming hate for Taylor Swift think?


webny99

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 26, 2024, 07:44:36 PM
Quote
QuoteYour first mistake is assuming much of anything on Twitter has any degree of credibility.

Thanks, I appreciate being told what my assumptions were. That's always a big credibility booster.  :thumbsup:

I mean hey, you're the one suggesting that the NFL should have been mindful of what conspiracy theorists think.  If you don't want people assuming things about what you say don't engage in hyperbole and then double down on it with Twitter nonsense.

Since you insist on invoking conspiracy theories and the credibility of Twitter when neither has anything to do with the topic at hand, let me back up and explain some basic concepts so you don't have to make faulty and incorrect assumptions.

A "conspiracy theory" in the NFL context is the specific belief that the game outcomes are predetermined by the league/insert powerful figure of choice for financial gain and that things are orchestrated behind the scenes rather than determined by the players... in other words, the NFL is rigged and there's no real competition between teams. That's generally regarded as an extremist view, and rightly so. I don't believe any of that, nor do I care to be baselessly labeled a conspiracy theorist.

I do believe that bias and favoritism exists in the NFL, and that is not a conspiracy theory; it's supported by data, historical trends, and independent research, in addition to just being obvious to anyone who follows the sport. And importantly, I don't think there's anything secretive or nefarious about it: it's just the result of a whole bunch of factors including media influence, market size, historical success, player popularity, and human error and subjectivity.

And not only do I believe that bias exists, I think it should be accepted as fact and openly discussed, so I take major issue with labeling what is actually bias/favoritism as a conspiracy theory. For starters, it stigmatizes discussions about league integrity, causes valid concerns to be dismissed and ignored, and completely ignores the complex dynamics and different factors that contribute to the actual biases that exist. More importantly, when legitimate concerns are dismissed it alienates fans and causes the "us vs. them" mentality that breeds the development of conspiracy theories. This in turn increases polarization and makes people even more entrenched in their views/beliefs, rather than having a constructive discussion about the issues.

So, I will not stand for anything being called a conspiracy theory unless that's what it actually is - meaning it explicitly involves a game outcome being predetermined and rigged, not just a minor thing that could potentially affect the game - and the silly Chargers suspension that I should have never bothered to bring up definitely does not come close to reaching that level.

Max Rockatansky

#5966
How am I the one invoking conspiracy theories again?  You started this whole tangent:

Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: webny99 on September 27, 2024, 12:05:01 AMI do believe that bias and favoritism exists in the NFL, and that is not a conspiracy theory; it's supported by data, historical trends, and independent research, in addition to just being obvious to anyone who follows the sport. And importantly, I don't think there's anything secretive or nefarious about it: it's just the result of a whole bunch of factors including media influence, market size, historical success, player popularity, and human error and subjectivity.

And not only do I believe that bias exists, I think it should be accepted as fact and openly discussed, so I take major issue with labeling what is actually bias/favoritism as a conspiracy theory. For starters, it stigmatizes discussions about league integrity, causes valid concerns to be dismissed and ignored, and completely ignores the complex dynamics and different factors that contribute to the actual biases that exist. More importantly, when legitimate concerns are dismissed it alienates fans and causes the "us vs. them" mentality that breeds the development of conspiracy theories. This in turn increases polarization and makes people even more entrenched in their views/beliefs, rather than having a constructive discussion about the issues.

So, I will not stand for anything being called a conspiracy theory unless that's what it actually is - meaning it explicitly involves a game outcome being predetermined and rigged, not just a minor thing that could potentially affect the game - and the silly Chargers suspension that I should have never bothered to bring up definitely does not come close to reaching that level.

Can I get a cite on this independent research of which you speak? (Also, happy post 10K to me.)

SEWIGuy

Quote from: webny99 on September 27, 2024, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 26, 2024, 07:44:36 PM
Quote
QuoteYour first mistake is assuming much of anything on Twitter has any degree of credibility.

Thanks, I appreciate being told what my assumptions were. That's always a big credibility booster.  :thumbsup:

I mean hey, you're the one suggesting that the NFL should have been mindful of what conspiracy theorists think.  If you don't want people assuming things about what you say don't engage in hyperbole and then double down on it with Twitter nonsense.

Since you insist on invoking conspiracy theories and the credibility of Twitter when neither has anything to do with the topic at hand, let me back up and explain some basic concepts so you don't have to make faulty and incorrect assumptions.

A "conspiracy theory" in the NFL context is the specific belief that the game outcomes are predetermined by the league/insert powerful figure of choice for financial gain and that things are orchestrated behind the scenes rather than determined by the players... in other words, the NFL is rigged and there's no real competition between teams. That's generally regarded as an extremist view, and rightly so. I don't believe any of that, nor do I care to be baselessly labeled a conspiracy theorist.

I do believe that bias and favoritism exists in the NFL, and that is not a conspiracy theory; it's supported by data, historical trends, and independent research, in addition to just being obvious to anyone who follows the sport. And importantly, I don't think there's anything secretive or nefarious about it: it's just the result of a whole bunch of factors including media influence, market size, historical success, player popularity, and human error and subjectivity.

And not only do I believe that bias exists, I think it should be accepted as fact and openly discussed, so I take major issue with labeling what is actually bias/favoritism as a conspiracy theory. For starters, it stigmatizes discussions about league integrity, causes valid concerns to be dismissed and ignored, and completely ignores the complex dynamics and different factors that contribute to the actual biases that exist. More importantly, when legitimate concerns are dismissed it alienates fans and causes the "us vs. them" mentality that breeds the development of conspiracy theories. This in turn increases polarization and makes people even more entrenched in their views/beliefs, rather than having a constructive discussion about the issues.

So, I will not stand for anything being called a conspiracy theory unless that's what it actually is - meaning it explicitly involves a game outcome being predetermined and rigged, not just a minor thing that could potentially affect the game - and the silly Chargers suspension that I should have never bothered to bring up definitely does not come close to reaching that level.


This is a lot of words to basically admit you passed along a conspiracy theory.

hobsini2

Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 26, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 25, 2024, 03:17:17 PMA lot of speculation that Chargers safety Derwin James' 1-game suspension is intentionally timed to coincide with the Chargers playing the Chiefs this Sunday. I'm not generally one to believe the NFL is rigged, but this is an easy slam dunk for those that do. Either way the timing is not a good look for the NFL.
ROFL

At least 50,000 others are too.
Am I supposed to care about what 50,000 conspiracy theorists, 12 year old kids, and/or people with an incredible life-consuming hate for Taylor Swift think?
Evidently. One of my best friends hates KC becuase he thinks Pat Mahommes is an arrogant penazio and he hates Swift because of her politics. If we are watching a KC game, I just laugh at him every time Taylor is shown on TV. He just explodes.
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Rothman

I do find the rage against Taylor Swift to be disproportionate to the inconvenience of seeing her 2-3 times a game for a few seconds each.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Max Rockatansky

I find it weird that a lot of these football dudes are offended by seeing an attractive woman briefly during a game. 

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Rothman on September 27, 2024, 10:23:35 AMI do find the rage against Taylor Swift to be disproportionate to the inconvenience of seeing her 2-3 times a game for a few seconds each.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 27, 2024, 10:34:18 AMI find it weird that a lot of these football dudes are offended by seeing an attractive woman briefly during a game. 

Same dudes seem to be much less offended at the appearance of males with similar political beliefs.
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thspfc

Quote from: hobsini2 on September 27, 2024, 07:58:40 AMhe hates Swift because of her politics.
Hopefully he never figures out which direction black men, whom 70% of NFL players are, tend to lean politically. (I don't think it's actually about politics though.)

Quote from: Rothman on September 27, 2024, 10:23:35 AMI do find the rage against Taylor Swift to be disproportionate to the inconvenience of seeing her 2-3 times a game for a few seconds each.
Colin Cowherd said it best


Quote from: webny99 on September 27, 2024, 12:05:01 AMI do believe that bias and favoritism exists in the NFL, and that is not a conspiracy theory; it's supported by data, historical trends
First of all we're going to drop the vague words and call it like it is: you're talking/complaining about the Chiefs, since Mahomes became the starter.

With that established, here is the actual data from 2018 to 2023 (3 games of this year is not a sufficient sample).

To clarify, for "benefitting", 1st means the refs were very kind to them, and 32nd means the refs hated them. By your logic anyway. Vice versa for "costing".

2023
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 19th
Penalty yards: 16th
Costing KC
Penalties: 9th
Penalty yards: 5th

2022
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 2nd
Penalty yards: 8th
Costing KC
Penalties: 19th
Penalty yards: 3rd

2021
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 3rd
Penalty yards: 6th
Costing KC
Penalties: 6th
Penalty yards: 11th

2020
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 3rd
Penalty yards: 10th
Costing KC
Penalties: 1st  :-o
Penalty yards: 1st  :wow:

2019
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 2nd
Penalty yards: 6th
Costing KC
Penalties: 6th
Penalty yards: 2nd

2018
Benefitting KC
Penalties: 5th
Penalty yards: 8th
Costing KC
Penalties: 1st  :coffee:
Penalty yards: 1st  :pan:

So by inverting the ranks for the "costing" categories and averaging the 4 numbers out we can get a score for each season, where lower means the refs love them, higher means the refs hate them, and 16.5 is average.

2023: 21.75
2022: 13.5
2021: 14.5
2020: 19.25
2019: 16.5
2018: 19.25

Overall average: 17.46

The refs have given very average - slightly on the harsher side of average, in fact - treatment to the Chiefs.

Another thing: defensive pass interference is the most significant and the most subjective penalty in football. The most damning stat for your conspiracy theory (yes, that's what it is) is that in 2022, which according to total penalties was the Chiefs' best year, KC had the MOST DPI calls costing them, and the FEWEST benefitting them. The penalty that is by far the easiest one to manipulate a game with, was absolutely hammered on the Chiefs for a full season.


Quoteand independent research
I'll be the second to ask for this

Quotein addition to just being obvious to anyone who follows the sport has a severe case of confirmation bias.
FTFY

QuoteAnd not only do I believe that bias exists, I think it should be accepted as fact and openly discussed, so I take major issue with labeling what is actually bias/favoritism as a conspiracy theory. For starters, it stigmatizes discussions about league integrity, causes valid concerns to be dismissed and ignored, and completely ignores the complex dynamics and different factors that contribute to the actual biases that exist. More importantly, when legitimate concerns are dismissed it alienates fans and causes the "us vs. them" mentality that breeds the development of conspiracy theories. This in turn increases polarization and makes people even more entrenched in their views/beliefs, rather than having a constructive discussion about the issues.
You are part of the problem, not the solution. You are buying into false narratives that are perpetuated by rabid fans on the internet who can't regulate their emotions around a football team they have no control over.

jgb191

Really sorry to intervene in the chain of Subtopic (whatever the point happens to be, most of the last several posts flew over my head).

But just wanted to say that the Texans next game vs the Jaguars has a screaming "trap game" warning alarm -- the type of alarm you hear at factories or power plants warning of a potential disaster if things go wrong.  That is what the Texans could be looking at if things continue to go wrong.

As Texans fans, we are well aware of Jacksonville's maximum potential ceiling, and with both teams licking their wounds from 27-point defeats, you know the Jaguars are going to come out angry and swinging their best punch on Sunday.

Now I had the Texans losing at home to the Jaguars before the season started, but at the time I never could have envisioned them starting out 0-3....they're far better than that....and I have a feeling this Sunday will bring out their best game, and if the Texans aren't careful, they'll fall into this trap.

Remember that the Texans were the only team last season to hand the Panthers their only win of the season, but we didn't think much of it because expectations were really low at the time.  Now with sky high expectations, the pressure to win is as enormous as it gets.  You get the idea, this is going to be a gut-check test for the Texans.

And now you all can resume your subtopic.
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