NFL (2020-2024)

[thspfc]

"Nice try though", "that's more math than I was prepared for", and other obvious cop-outs:

[webny99]

You have this cynical and distorted view because the team you root for usually doesn't make those plays. It's like you think the game ends after the 3rd quarter and if it's close Goodell flips a coin to decide who wins.

Lol. I was reading with interest and considering responding seriously until I got to this. Not one word of that is true and everyone knows it (including you), so there's nothing to be gained by engaging further. Nice try though. 

To be fair, you still haven't responded to any of our requests for the independent investigation of referee bias that you claimed existed.

Here you go. I already said all I have to say on this issue, and I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

[Max Rockatansky]

You have this cynical and distorted view because the team you root for usually doesn't make those plays. It's like you think the game ends after the 3rd quarter and if it's close Goodell flips a coin to decide who wins.

Lol. I was reading with interest and considering responding seriously until I got to this. Not one word of that is true and everyone knows it (including you), so there's nothing to be gained by engaging further. Nice try though. 

To be fair, you still haven't responded to any of our requests for the independent investigation of referee bias that you claimed existed.

Here you go. I already said all I have to say on this issue, and I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

So your response is to threaten a bunch of us with a report to the mod staff?  You started this by opening up debate on pseudo-theories.  Maybe don't do that if you can't handle others picking your arguments apart. 

[JayhawkCO]

You have this cynical and distorted view because the team you root for usually doesn't make those plays. It's like you think the game ends after the 3rd quarter and if it's close Goodell flips a coin to decide who wins.

Lol. I was reading with interest and considering responding seriously until I got to this. Not one word of that is true and everyone knows it (including you), so there's nothing to be gained by engaging further. Nice try though. 

To be fair, you still haven't responded to any of our requests for the independent investigation of referee bias that you claimed existed.

Here you go. I already said all I have to say on this issue, and I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

This will be the last I say on the topic, per your request. But a Twitter thread from a Broncos fan does not independent research make. Let's indeed move on.


Having Godwin in the game last night in an unwinnable situation with 42 seconds left was a real shit move for my fantasy teams.

[hobsini2]

    

Meow

[hobsini2]

You have this cynical and distorted view because the team you root for usually doesn't make those plays. It's like you think the game ends after the 3rd quarter and if it's close Goodell flips a coin to decide who wins.

Lol. I was reading with interest and considering responding seriously until I got to this. Not one word of that is true and everyone knows it (including you), so there's nothing to be gained by engaging further. Nice try though. 

To be fair, you still haven't responded to any of our requests for the independent investigation of referee bias that you claimed existed.

Here you go. I already said all I have to say on this issue, and I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

So your response is to threaten a bunch of us with a report to the mod staff?  You started this by opening up debate on pseudo-theories.  Maybe don't do that if you can't handle others picking your arguments apart. 

Sound logic to me. But I'm just a peon.

[webny99]

Ravens-Bucs reminded me of that Texans-Chiefs playoff game in 2020 when the Texans went up 24-0 against the Chiefs and insanely ended up trailing by halftime. The Ravens spotted 10 to the Bucs and were simply unstoppable from that point forward.

It is a major bummer that injuries could have all but ended the Bucs' season, since they had a chance to be even better than they were last year, when they made the divisional round.

[SEWIGuy]

You have this cynical and distorted view because the team you root for usually doesn't make those plays. It's like you think the game ends after the 3rd quarter and if it's close Goodell flips a coin to decide who wins.

Lol. I was reading with interest and considering responding seriously until I got to this. Not one word of that is true and everyone knows it (including you), so there's nothing to be gained by engaging further. Nice try though. 

To be fair, you still haven't responded to any of our requests for the independent investigation of referee bias that you claimed existed.

Here you go. I already said all I have to say on this issue, and I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

lol

[JayhawkCO]

Ravens-Bucs reminded me of that Texans-Chiefs playoff game in 2020 when the Texans went up 24-0 against the Chiefs and insanely ended up trailing by halftime. The Ravens spotted 10 to the Bucs and were simply unstoppable from that point forward.

It is a major bummer that injuries could have all but ended the Bucs' season, since they had a chance to be even better than they were last year, when they made the divisional round.

I have a hunch that Baker will just keep slinging it no matter if he has Evans/Godwin or not. Maybe that's just wishful thinking for my fantasy teams.

[thspfc]

Per request we will spare going through each clip and pointing out how at least half of them are either highly, highly subjective or an outright correct call. We will also spare from creating twitter threads of every time a different team benefited from questionable officiating.

I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

I can't convey how dumbfounding this paragraph is.

[JayhawkCO]

Per request we will spare going through each clip and pointing out how at least half of them are either highly, highly subjective or an outright correct call. We will also spare from creating twitter threads of every time a different team benefited from questionable officiating.

I would be actively sabotaging my mental health to reopen that discussion. You would be actively contributing to that if you keep trying, so it will be reported to the moderators (you and others) if it continues. Let's move on. Thanks!

I can't convey how dumbfounding this paragraph is.

I think we've said our piece re: the bias conversation now; I think we can let sleeping dogs lie.

[JayhawkCO]

It's not about the bias conversation. It's that webny99 believes he can basically shut an otherwise on-topic conversation down because continuing it would be "actively sabatoging" his mental health. That's ridiculous. If he is having mental health issues engaging in a discussion on a message board that is on-topic, he should probably logoff for awhile.

Be that as it may, I don't want it to turn into bullying. It never feels good if everyone seems like they're piling on, justified or not.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's not about the bias conversation. It's that webny99 believes he can basically shut an otherwise on-topic conversation down because continuing it would be "actively sabatoging" his mental health. That's ridiculous. If he is having mental health issues engaging in a discussion on a message board that is on-topic, he should probably logoff for awhile.

Be that as it may, I don't want it to turn into bullying. It never feels good if everyone seems like they're piling on, justified or not.

That's the thing, it isn't bullying.  Trying to paint it as bullying is just absurd and not very adult like.  The easy way to avoid an unwanted further debate was simply just not respond. 

[JayhawkCO]

It's not about the bias conversation. It's that webny99 believes he can basically shut an otherwise on-topic conversation down because continuing it would be "actively sabatoging" his mental health. That's ridiculous. If he is having mental health issues engaging in a discussion on a message board that is on-topic, he should probably logoff for awhile.

Be that as it may, I don't want it to turn into bullying. It never feels good if everyone seems like they're piling on, justified or not.

That's the thing, it isn't bullying.  Trying to paint it as bullying is just absurd and not very adult like.  The easy way to avoid an unwanted further debate was simply just not respond. 

And I'm guessing he will do so going forward.

But in life, not just in this forum, it's never great to tell someone else how they're feeling. I imagine most bullies (not calling you one) don't think that they're bullying, either.

[Scott5114]

A Web forum like this one allows you to post damn near any sort of opinion or idea you like for no financial cost. However, the price you pay is, if others disagree, they can respond to you critically. It is on you to defend your idea at that point. If others feel you are making a habit of declining to do so, that is fair game for criticism as well, and is not something that justifies moderator action, especially when it is as mildly worded as the posts here, which I would characterize as "critical but respectful".

On the other hand, you are well within your rights to not engage with further replies if you feel that doing so would not be a good use of your time for whatever reason. Nobody can make anyone else make a post. (I would suggest, however, that if you are suffering a noticeable decline in your mental health due to a thread on a Web forum—especially in the Sports section, which is the most piddling, low-stakes section of the forum—you should probably take a break from the forum and/or seek assistance from someone more qualified to address the problem than, well, me.)

[thspfc]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chargers-cardinals-drew-audience-of-1-8-million

Thank God for this horrendously low number. This is the only way to stop the streaming service conquest of the NFL.

[SEWIGuy]

I don't know what they expected. There was another game broadcast all over the country. And the Cardinals and Chargers are not exactly marquis franchises.

[JayhawkCO]

A Web forum like this one allows you to post damn near any sort of opinion or idea you like for no financial cost. However, the price you pay is, if others disagree, they can respond to you critically. It is on you to defend your idea at that point. If others feel you are making a habit of declining to do so, that is fair game for criticism as well, and is not something that justifies moderator action, especially when it is as mildly worded as the posts here, which I would characterize as "critical but respectful".

On the other hand, you are well within your rights to not engage with further replies if you feel that doing so would not be a good use of your time for whatever reason. Nobody can make anyone else make a post. (I would suggest, however, that if you are suffering a noticeable decline in your mental health due to a thread on a Web forum—especially in the Sports section, which is the most piddling, low-stakes section of the forum—you should probably take a break from the forum and/or seek assistance from someone more qualified to address the problem than, well, me.)

But also, and this is in no opposition to anything you said, the world could use a little bit more kindness. I try to remember that when I post a sarcastic response to someone. I don't always succeed, but that doesn't mean I should stop trying.

[Scott5114]

A Web forum like this one allows you to post damn near any sort of opinion or idea you like for no financial cost. However, the price you pay is, if others disagree, they can respond to you critically. It is on you to defend your idea at that point. If others feel you are making a habit of declining to do so, that is fair game for criticism as well, and is not something that justifies moderator action, especially when it is as mildly worded as the posts here, which I would characterize as "critical but respectful".

On the other hand, you are well within your rights to not engage with further replies if you feel that doing so would not be a good use of your time for whatever reason. Nobody can make anyone else make a post. (I would suggest, however, that if you are suffering a noticeable decline in your mental health due to a thread on a Web forum—especially in the Sports section, which is the most piddling, low-stakes section of the forum—you should probably take a break from the forum and/or seek assistance from someone more qualified to address the problem than, well, me.)

But also, and this is in no opposition to anything you said, the world could use a little bit more kindness. I try to remember that when I post a sarcastic response to someone. I don't always succeed, but that doesn't mean I should stop trying.

Of course. This is simply from the perspective of moderation—it isn't appropriate for us to moderate someone who is disagreeing with someone else, so long as they're doing it in a respectful manner. People on either side can disengage from the debate at any time for any reason, and "disengaging would be the kindest thing to do" is a pretty good reason to do so.

[1995hoo]

A Web forum like this one allows you to post damn near any sort of opinion or idea you like for no financial cost. However, the price you pay is, if others disagree, they can respond to you critically. It is on you to defend your idea at that point. If others feel you are making a habit of declining to do so, that is fair game for criticism as well, and is not something that justifies moderator action, especially when it is as mildly worded as the posts here, which I would characterize as "critical but respectful".

On the other hand, you are well within your rights to not engage with further replies if you feel that doing so would not be a good use of your time for whatever reason. Nobody can make anyone else make a post. (I would suggest, however, that if you are suffering a noticeable decline in your mental health due to a thread on a Web forum—especially in the Sports section, which is the most piddling, low-stakes section of the forum—you should probably take a break from the forum and/or seek assistance from someone more qualified to address the problem than, well, me.)

This could well be a sticky post (with the part about sports modified, of course) in the "Forum Guidelines."

[jgb191]

I'll try my best to change the subject here....

Q1:  How will the addition of Devonte Adams help the Jets?

Q2:  How will the addition of Amari Cooper help the Bills?

Q3:  How will the addition of DeAndre Hopkins help the Chiefs?

Q4:  Any other player movements/changes that I did not mention?

Q5:  Will James Winston do better than Deshaun Watson?

[jeffandnicole]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chargers-cardinals-drew-audience-of-1-8-million

Thank God for this horrendously low number. This is the only way to stop the streaming service conquest of the NFL.

Although...

And that includes those who watched via over-the-air channels in the local markets of Phoenix and Los Angeles.

When the local areas don't care about the game, you're not going to get a national audience either.

[hobsini2]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chargers-cardinals-drew-audience-of-1-8-million

Thank God for this horrendously low number. This is the only way to stop the streaming service conquest of the NFL.

Although...

And that includes those who watched via over-the-air channels in the local markets of Phoenix and Los Angeles.

When the local areas don't care about the game, you're not going to get a national audience either.

Not exactly small markets either. Granted that the Chargers are the second fiddle to the Rams but still.

[Max Rockatansky]

Only a handful of people cared about the Cardinals when I lived in Phoenix.  The Broncos has by the largest following among long term residents in the city. 

As for the Chargers, they are never going to be able to compete for followers in Los Angeles.  The Ram fans comprise the vast majority of the local NFL following.

[SEWIGuy]

Q1:  How will the addition of Devonte Adams help the Jets?

It won't fundamentally change anything. Rodgers is over the hill, runs a old-fashioned offense, and Davante has lost a step anyway.

Q2:  How will the addition of Amari Cooper help the Bills?

Q3:  How will the addition of DeAndre Hopkins help the Chiefs?

I think both of these will be helpful, positive additions. 

Q5:  Will James Winston do better than Deshaun Watson?

How could he not? Watson's performance was historically bad.