Phoenix Area Highways

[kernals12]

Even though the races for President and Senate here have received much money and attention, the results on Prop 479 will have far more impact on the daily lives of Maricopa County residents.

Good news: Prop 479 has passed with a wide margin! 60.18% yes to 39.82% no

Yay! Can't wait for the Tres Rios Freeway

[The Ghostbuster]

So some of this money will go towards constructing the central segment of AZ 30 (AZ Loop 303 to AZ Loop 202), correct? While the central segment of AZ 30 has a potential construction date of 2026, the other two segments (AZ 85 to AZ Loop 303 and AZ Loop 202 to Interstate 17) do not have potential construction dates yet.

[kernals12]

More good news: Pinal County voters approved Prop 486, extending that half cent sales tax dedicated to transportation improvements.

[Sonic99]

More good news: Pinal County voters approved Prop 486, extending that half cent sales tax dedicated to transportation improvements.

Hopefully SR 24 completion? Or are there any new projects they have their eyes on building up?

[Sonic99]

Even though the races for President and Senate here have received much money and attention, the results on Prop 479 will have far more impact on the daily lives of Maricopa County residents.

Good news: Prop 479 has passed with a wide margin! 60.18% yes to 39.82% no

Yay! Can't wait for the Tres Rios Freeway

Tres Rios and the completion of the I-17/Loop 303 interchange are two that need to get moving ASAP now that the funding is approved.

[kernals12]

More good news: Pinal County voters approved Prop 486, extending that half cent sales tax dedicated to transportation improvements.

Hopefully SR 24 completion? Or are there any new projects they have their eyes on building up?

You kidding? They're planning an entirely new freeway from the end of US 60 down to I-10 in Eloy. Personally, I think that once it gets built, it and the Superstition Freeway should be designated as Loop 404.

[kernals12]

Even though the races for President and Senate here have received much money and attention, the results on Prop 479 will have far more impact on the daily lives of Maricopa County residents.

Good news: Prop 479 has passed with a wide margin! 60.18% yes to 39.82% no

Yay! Can't wait for the Tres Rios Freeway

Tres Rios and the completion of the I-17/Loop 303 interchange are two that need to get moving ASAP now that the funding is approved.

ADOT's way ahead of you, they've already started ROW acquisition.

[Sonic99]

Even though the races for President and Senate here have received much money and attention, the results on Prop 479 will have far more impact on the daily lives of Maricopa County residents.

Good news: Prop 479 has passed with a wide margin! 60.18% yes to 39.82% no

Yay! Can't wait for the Tres Rios Freeway

Tres Rios and the completion of the I-17/Loop 303 interchange are two that need to get moving ASAP now that the funding is approved.

ADOT's way ahead of you, they've already started ROW acquisition.

I think they had money already allocated for ROW in the current funding, it was actual construction that they said was pending Prop approval. Now that the Prop is approved, they should hopefully get the ball rolling on starting actual work sooner rather than later. And my personal hope is that they can fast-track the 202 to 17 segment as well. My personal dream would be doing a complete rebuild of the 17 segment from Durango to the Split, and truncating 17 to end at Durango and have SR 30 be a straight shot from the Sky Harbor split all the way out, making it a proper alternate to I-10 through downtown.

[Plutonic Panda]

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

[Roadwarriors79]

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Many years ago, a double-decked section of I-17 was proposed, between I-10 and Dunlap Ave.

[Roadwarriors79]

So this weekend, I-10 EB in the Broadway Curve area is closed. On Monday morning, the EB C/D road is supposed to be open to traffic.

[Plutonic Panda]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

And you came to this conclusion how exactly?  If you think it is bad, go back a decade or so when it had less lane capacity.

But a quick historical context, if I-10 didn't get built as a viaduct through downtown then I-17 isn't getting double decked.

[Plutonic Panda]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

And you came to this conclusion how exactly?  If you think it is bad, go back a decade or so when it had less lane capacity.

Because I drive this road almost a dozen times a year. It's easily one of the most congested parts of the Phoenix freeway system. It's also one of the oldest parts of it as well.

[Max Rockatansky]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

And you came to this conclusion how exactly?  If you think it is bad, go back a decade or so when it had less lane capacity.

Because I drive this road almost a dozen times a year. It's easily one of the most congested parts of the Phoenix freeway system. It's also one of the oldest parts of it as well.

So you happened to be in Phoenix and just hit during rush hour, got it. 

[Plutonic Panda]

I was hoping to find a list of the most congested sections of freeways in Phoenix. But I was unable to successfully do so. So what I'm saying is anecdotal. But from the people that I've talked to that have lived there and my own personal experiences. Yes, there needs to be more lanes on this section of I-17. You are not expanding an outward without spending a shit ton on property acquisition.

[Plutonic Panda]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

And you came to this conclusion how exactly?  If you think it is bad, go back a decade or so when it had less lane capacity.

Because I drive this road almost a dozen times a year. It's easily one of the most congested parts of the Phoenix freeway system. It's also one of the oldest parts of it as well.

So you happened to be in Phoenix and just hit during rush hour, got it. 

I've been in on it during rush-hour and I've experienced it outside of rush-hour. I've hit bad traffic on it many times. Like every other highway yes sometimes it flows. But for my own personal experience, most of the time it's jammed packed with traffic and it needs to be expanded. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[Max Rockatansky]

Just avoid I—17?  That's what I did during rush hour during all the years I lived in Phoenix.  AZ 51 slows in downtown but usually crawls along slowly even the worst traffic.  It wasn't too hard to get between the two on Northern Avenue. 

[kernals12]

Wut?

They need to double stack I-17 in central Phoenix.

Wut?

What's not to understand? The section of highway is over capacity. It needs to be widen, but there is no space to do so.

And you came to this conclusion how exactly?  If you think it is bad, go back a decade or so when it had less lane capacity.

Because I drive this road almost a dozen times a year. It's easily one of the most congested parts of the Phoenix freeway system. It's also one of the oldest parts of it as well.

So you happened to be in Phoenix and just hit during rush hour, got it. 

I've been in on it during rush-hour and I've experienced it outside of rush-hour. I've hit bad traffic on it many times. Like every other highway yes sometimes it flows. But for my own personal experience, most of the time it's jammed packed with traffic and it needs to be expanded. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

They are planning on expanding it adding a part time carpool lane and an auxiliary lane. There is space to widen it, the adjacent land is mostly a bunch of junkyards and auto repair shops. But double decking it would be insanely expensive and where the extra lanes merge back into regular traffic will get a bottleneck.

[Plutonic Panda]

I'm going to be very surprised to see on how they pull that off. And sure it might cause a bottleneck somewhere. You could say that with a lot of road widening projects. Once that happens, then you work to fix the bottleneck there. And then so on and so forth.

[Max Rockatansky]

When the highway was originally widened ADOT cutback the trench slopes and reinforced them. 

[Plutonic Panda]

Just to be clear, we're discussing I-17 that runs from I-10 north to Loop 101, right?

[Max Rockatansky]

Yes, the older segments of the Black Canyon Freeway which were part of AZ 69.

[kernals12]

Yes, the older segments of the Black Canyon Freeway which were part of AZ 69.

Nice