Supreme Court gives green light to law that could ban TikTok

[Scott5114]

I am pretty sure people in China and any other country with government-paid health care pay it in a ridiculous level of increased taxes. It's just shifted from who you're paying it to. You are aware their health insurance isn't "free" right?

You are aware the price paid in the US isn't the cost of the care, right? It doesn't actually cost $1,200 to take someone somewhere in an ambulance. ZipRecruiter says that an EMT gets paid $20/hour on average, and I can't imagine that the MPG on an ambulance is so bad that they spend $1,140 in gas each run.

You don't have to have a ridiculous level of taxes if the amount you're paying only has to cover the actual cost of the care with no markup.

[kalvado]

I am pretty sure people in China and any other country with government-paid health care pay it in a ridiculous level of increased taxes. It's just shifted from who you're paying it to. You are aware their health insurance isn't "free" right?

You are aware the price paid in the US isn't the cost of the care, right? It doesn't actually cost $1,200 to take someone somewhere in an ambulance. ZipRecruiter says that an EMT gets paid $20/hour on average, and I can't imagine that the MPG on an ambulance is so bad that they spend $1,140 in gas each run.

You don't have to have a ridiculous level of taxes if the amount you're paying only has to cover the actual cost of the care with no markup.

You may miss a few line items driving costs up, though.
Insurance for emergency vehicle has to be much higher than for regular one, like ways higher. EMTs are getting paid regardless of being on a mission. Insurance on all sort of their actions. Certifications of everything and anything.
Certification in general is a huge thing. While people enjoy looking for that UL logo, that's actually yet another cancerous tumor on US economy.

I don't see EMT providers becoming oligarchs on their business. Moreover, I do see them pulling out of business because they cannot make the ends meet...
And of course any suggestion that regulations may be loosened is always met with pure indignation....

[Scott5114]

You may miss a few line items driving costs up, though.
Insurance for emergency vehicle has to be much higher than for regular one, like ways higher. EMTs are getting paid regardless of being on a mission. Insurance on all sort of their actions. Certifications of everything and anything.
Certification in general is a huge thing. While people enjoy looking for that UL logo, that's actually yet another cancerous tumor on US economy.

And all that stuff gets the fuck amortized out of it, because you don't have to have the ambulance re-certified every single trip. Yawn.

[kalvado]

You may miss a few line items driving costs up, though.
Insurance for emergency vehicle has to be much higher than for regular one, like ways higher. EMTs are getting paid regardless of being on a mission. Insurance on all sort of their actions. Certifications of everything and anything.
Certification in general is a huge thing. While people enjoy looking for that UL logo, that's actually yet another cancerous tumor on US economy.

And all that stuff gets the fuck amortized out of it, because you don't have to have the ambulance re-certified every single trip. Yawn.

More like annual recertification and semiannual retraining for the crew.
Anecdotal experience - certification bill in a totally unrelated area starts with a first class round trip airline ticket....

[Scott5114]

Well, gee, the price of an ambulance ride makes sense if the crew only responds to one call per year. You sure got me there.

[Scott5114]

The ambulance buy itself?

Well, gee, the price of an ambulance ride makes sense if the ambulance is disposed of after one call. You sure got me there.

[Scott5114]

They cost almost a quarter million dollars. It takes lots of ambulance rides to make that up.

So say the ambulance is in service for five years and it gets a hilariously low one call per day.

365*5
= 1825

250000/1825
= 136.98630136986301369863

So the cost of the ambulance itself is $137 per day. Of course, a real ambulance will answer way more than one call per day.

I think it's more disappointing that you apparently buy the lies UnitedHealth is selling you.

[SEWIGuy]

I am pretty sure people in China and any other country with government-paid health care pay it in a ridiculous level of increased taxes. It's just shifted from who you're paying it to. You are aware their health insurance isn't "free" right?

You are aware the price paid in the US isn't the cost of the care, right? It doesn't actually cost $1,200 to take someone somewhere in an ambulance. ZipRecruiter says that an EMT gets paid $20/hour on average, and I can't imagine that the MPG on an ambulance is so bad that they spend $1,140 in gas each run.

You don't have to have a ridiculous level of taxes if the amount you're paying only has to cover the actual cost of the care with no markup.

The ambulance buy itself? As well, almost all the ambulances around me are not private enterprise, but the government. Guess what also charges $1100 for that ambulance ride?

I think you are making his argument for him.

[Scott5114]

What is with you blaming a health insurer that doesn't even exist in my state?

Who do you think spent gobs of money to make people believe this is a fair price?

My town charges $1100 for an ambulance ride (an odd coincidence). They do not profit off of it. What part of that is confusing to you and why are you going all Luigi on me for it. Almost EVERY town and city around me runs muni service. Will you blame the government for the high cost, since it's literally the damn government providing it?

What town is it? Do you have balance sheets proving that they are not profiting off of it? Do the words "fair market rate" appear anywhere in the governing language?

[kalvado]

They cost almost a quarter million dollars. It takes lots of ambulance rides to make that up.

So say the ambulance is in service for five years and it gets a hilariously low one call per day.

365*5
= 1825

250000/1825
= 136.98630136986301369863

So the cost of the ambulance itself is $137 per day. Of course, a real ambulance will answer way more than one call per day.

I think it's more disappointing that you apparently buy the lies UnitedHealth is selling you.

What does health insurance do with the cost of the ambulance? What is with you blaming a health insurer that doesn't even exist in my state?

My town charges $1100 for an ambulance ride (an odd coincidence). They do not profit off of it. What part of that is confusing to you and why are you going all Luigi on me for it. Almost EVERY town and city around me runs muni service. Will you blame the government for the high cost, since it's literally the damn government providing it? Should they run it at a loss?

Obscure cost structure looks like to be the big part of it. Yes, ambulance is a bit more expensive than Uber ride. My impression is that Scott wants to apply Uber cost stricture, though.

[hotdogPi]

What town is it?

Answer here https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28374.125 (linking instead of saying outright because the board is invisible to non-members, in case SectorZ only wants it visible to this community instead of the entire public)

[kphoger]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

[Max Rockatansky]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

The Chinese government divested their interest and sold it to American Ambulance out of Fresno.  Now you can film short videos on the way to E.R.

[kphoger]

They should just green-light ALANCAN instead.

[Max Rockatansky]

They should just green-light ALANCAN instead.

The if the ALANCAN is good enough for Chester Cheetah, it is good enough for me.

[LilianaUwU]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

I mean, TikTok does make me want to die, so...

[Rothman]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

I mean, TikTok does make me want to die, so...

Dang.  Somebody looked at the wrong stuff on it.

*goes back to watching a baby platypus waddle*

[kalvado]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

I mean, TikTok does make me want to die, so...

Dang.  Somebody looked at the wrong stuff on it.

*goes back to watching a baby platypus waddle*

The great algorithm allows everyone to see what they really need and enjoy....

[webny99]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

No, the ambulance service is running to save this thread, but it may be too late.

[Rothman]

I must have missed something.  Is TikTok running an ambulance service now?

I mean, TikTok does make me want to die, so...

Dang.  Somebody looked at the wrong stuff on it.

*goes back to watching a baby platypus waddle*

The great algorithm allows everyone to see what they really need and enjoy....

The great algorithm sounds like a cyber bully.

[kphoger]

The great algorithm sounds like a cyber bully.

The Great Alan Gorithm

[Road Hog]

The great algorithm sounds like a cyber bully.

The Great Alan Goat Rhythm

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