I Thought No Politics

[Rothman]

Well, guess political threads are okay now, given how this one has gone.

I'm on the side of not including a politics subforum.  On other sites I'm on, although they are technically quarantined, they still pollute the listing of new posts.

Would rather the strict moderation continue and Irish's post removed, although I don't think he should be banned.

Otherwise, we get threads like this one on here.

[hotdogPi]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

Nothing got deleted, surprisingly.

There are several threads called "I don't care if this gets me banned" in Off-Topic. It all started with the first one, and the rest are either responses to it (like SectorZ's thread and this one) or parodies (like the "band" thread and the rickroll).

For hbelkins' benefit:

Don't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.

While this happened within the last four days (caused by a kernals12 thread), it's unrelated.

[Max Rockatansky]

Don't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.

[Molandfreak]

I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.

[Max Rockatansky]

I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.

You keep mentioning this in numerous threads.  Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about. 

[Molandfreak]

I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.

You keep mentioning this in numerous threads.  Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about. 

And I have linked to posts of theirs which I find objectionable throughout those multiple threads. Including one which you directly responded to. Yes, mod action was obviously taken against these two specific posts, but since this has been a pattern for years, I will continue to advocate for these users to be banned unless they can demonstrate that their behavior can change. I have yet to see it.

NE2 likes to inject politics into discussion that previously had no issues. While I don't like SP Cook's beliefs, he always seems to be on topic, and he's usually stating his own beliefs rather than making personal attacks on others.

You mean like this post here? Or how about starting a topic deliberately in bad faith?

At what point do we actually quit saying "abide by the rules or GTFO" and start saying "this person is literally incapable of following the rules, so we should force them out?"

[kalvado]

For hbelkins' benefit:

Don't forget about all the aliens, ghosts and time traveler stuff.

While this happened within the last four days (caused by a kernals12 thread), it's unrelated.

wow, a real time machine here!!!! Quoted before written!

[kphoger]

Geez...  Look, guys...

1.  Political discussion doesn't belong here.  If mods want to remove posts, lock threads, kick users, whatever—then cool.  This is a roadgeek forum, not a political forum.  We have other off-topic boards, but politics isn't one of them.

2.  "Achieving your goal" of "making us uncomfortable" is no valid reason to disrupt a non-political forum with your political protest.  Go to Reddit for that, or Facebook, or wherever.  Just as I hope you wouldn't start running around the mall screaming "Fuck you", you shouldn't do it here either.  Some of us come here to get away from politics.

3.  Sometimes rules are enforced unevenly.  Oh well.  Different mods have different thoughts, and I'm sure their thoughts change over time too.  And no system is perfect.  Don't obsess over someone else's being treated differently than a third someone else.  If it isn't you, then who cares?

4.  If someone told me to get a lobotomy, I'd probably laugh.  That's hardly ban-worthy language.

5.  It's time to get over having your spelling corrected.  Move on.

6.  Daniel Moraseski, I've just assumed, is simply paying forum penance for all the lo-o-o-ong time he was allowed to post his nastiness without reprimand.  He had also, I believe, received multiple warnings in the past and flaunted them.  So we shouldn't be surprised if others aren't treated as harshly as he has been.

[1995hoo]

I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.

You keep mentioning this in numerous threads.  Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about. 

I'm well aware of who SP Cook is (and I agree that he's an asshole), but I had to search the members list for Terry Shea. He seems to frequent subfora I seldom visit because I don't have anything to contribute to them. Sounds like maybe that's just as well for me.

Regarding conservative posters, I doubt it would surprise anyone that I fall within that overall camp, but it might surprise you how I voted in the last three presidential elections.

[webny99]

Well, guess political threads are okay now, given how this one has gone.

That or the moderation team is taking a break from the forum, and honestly I couldn't fault anyone for doing that at this point.

[Max Rockatansky]

I still don't understand why everyone just excuses the behavior of Terry Shea and SP Cook. Sure, some of their stuff might be tangentially related to the topics, but they still post purposely inflammatory rhetoric constantly. Like I said, I am not against conservative voices on the forum (ask me who I voted for in the primaries, the answer may surprise you). I'm just against a very specific type of rhetoric polluting our threads.

You keep mentioning this in numerous threads.  Awfully assumptive on your end to believe that most of us interact with these people or know what you're talking about. 

I'm well aware of who SP Cook is (and I agree that he's an asshole), but I had to search the members list for Terry Shea. He seems to frequent subfora I seldom visit because I don't have anything to contribute to them. Sounds like maybe that's just as well for me.

Regarding conservative posters, I doubt it would surprise anyone that I fall within that overall camp, but it might surprise you how I voted in the last three presidential elections.

I mostly know of SP from the NASCAR thread.  I was only aware of Terry Shea as a forum member name that pops up on recent unread topics sometimes.  I don't recall interacting with said person.

[kphoger]

Oh, and...

7.  Locking the thread but "choosing to leave this one public" because you "think it's an important reminder to everyone in the private sector that there are actual people caught up in this" was basically approving of his post.  It made the tacit assumption that people who voted for Trump, what? didn't already know that the situation affects real people.  Everybody knows that making cuts removes real people from their real jobs;  throwing in the "putting food on the table" platitude only served to give the impression that it is the AARoads moderation staff's official position that none of those jobs should have been done away with.  That's a political position.


For what it's worth, I did not vote for Trump.

[webny99]

3.  Sometimes rules are enforced unevenly.  Oh well.  Different mods have different thoughts, and I'm sure their thoughts change over time too.  And no system is perfect.  Don't obsess over someone else's being treated differently than a third someone else.  If it isn't you, then who cares?

7.  Locking the thread but "choosing to leave this one public" because you "think it's an important reminder to everyone in the private sector that there are actual people caught up in this" was basically approving of his post.  It made the tacit assumption that people who voted for Trump, what? didn't already know that the situation affects real people.  Everybody knows that making cuts removes real people from their real jobs;  throwing in the "putting food on the table" platitude only served to give the impression that it is the AARoads moderation staff's official position that none of those jobs should have been done away with.  That's a political position.

Kphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.

[hbelkins]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.

And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.

[roadman65]

When it comes to politics people usually vote the lesser of two evils and not because they like the guy ( or woman).

Some know the cons when they vote, but some put up with it if the pros are worth it.

Example, taxes for one. People themselves would sacrifice paying themselves higher taxes if it causes people like Joe Biden or Trump to pay more. Yes folks like, Biden, Obama, Pelosi, and many politicians who are for taxing the rich are rich themselves benefitting from the tax rates themselves which we forget.

I can't say why people voted for Trump this time around for sure, but during elections every four years people usually don't vote for a person cause they like them.  Bill Clinton the exception as people did like him cause he was a hippie and had an open marriage with his wife and other stuff. And yes he worked well even with the other party as he really was flexible and pride swallowing.

[kphoger]

Kphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.

Fair enough.

I wonder if you misunderstood my use of 'unevenly'.  I meant their uneven application from one member to another.

But also, it seemed to me that Scott was blind to the fact that he was making a political statement.  It's irritating when members let their politics into this thread, but it's especially frustrating when moderators do.  And we all know that Scott is happy to let his politics be known.

When it comes to politics people usually vote the lesser of two evils and not because they like the guy ( or woman).

Some know the cons when they vote, but some put up with it if the pros are worth it.

This.  I can't say I know anyone who voted for Trump because of this issue.  They voted for him because of other issues.

[hotdogPi]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.

And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.

I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.

[thspfc]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.

And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.

I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.

An interesting question that has remained unanswered. I suppose an answer would be against the forum rule of no politics, but not even the mods know if that's a rule anymore.

[JayhawkCO]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.

And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.

I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.

There are a bunch of reasons why people live in places that have nothing to do with politics. For example, my wife and I talked about moving within the Denver metro, but the fact that interest rates are really high right now and our current mortgage is at 2.49%, it just doesn't make financial sense.

[webny99]

Kphoger, now I'm genuinely curious how you reconcile these two points.

Fair enough.

I wonder if you misunderstood my use of 'unevenly'.  I meant their uneven application from one member to another.

Yeah, I did pick up on that and decided that #3 applies to the moderation of users, while #7 applies to moderation of content (which I obviously do think is an important distinction in this whole discussion).

[Scott5114]

I have removed the original post that started this discussion.

[SectorZ]

Dang. I'm gone for four days and I miss something. What happened?

TL;DR, someone bluntly told Trump voters to go fuck themselves, and it's the only damn thing we've been talking about on this roads forum.

And the whole thing seems a bit anti-climactic. The original post, an "inB4 lock," and then the locking announcement.

I actually managed to get in a post before the lock asking why he lives in Indiana and not 50 feet away in Illinois given his beliefs (he's said before it's for tax reasons), but I deleted it after it got locked because it would never be answered in that thread and it looked out of place when the thread ended the way it did.

Really weird that Illinois has the people he wants in power and yet stays in Indiana because his non-billionaire family pays less in taxes there. Then he mocks those who disagree with him despite that elephant in the room. That's more than a little hypocritical.

[Molandfreak]

I think this thread has run its course. I doubt @NWI_Irish96 is planning on doing something like this again, the original thread was deleted, and virtually everyone has gotten what they want out of the situation. And now we've resorted to demanding to know why someone lives where they do.

[SectorZ]

I think this thread has run its course. I doubt @NWI_Irish96 is planning on doing something like this again, the original thread was deleted, and virtually everyone has gotten what they want out of the situation. And now we've resorted to demanding to know why someone lives where they do.

I'm not demanding because demanding someone to respond is against the TOS of this forum 

(At least I am trying to be consistent here)

[Max Rockatansky]

I'll admit my opinion on this soured even more when Irish revealed he hadn't actually lost his job.  All the same Scott got rid of the comment the post that started all this, so aren't we just dragging this along now?