What ever happened to the counterculture?

[freebrickproductions]

I kinda feel like the current counterculture is the furry fandom, given that they're a queer subculture and that they've gotten not-quite-mainstream within the past few years with plenty scare articles about them from certain parts of the political spectrum.

[mgk920]

'Independent' music has been surging ever since Apple iTunes downloads came about in the 00s.  I'd be very curious as to where 'indie' acts are in relation to Label 'signed' acts nowadays.

Mike

[english si]

The counter culture people got older and formed the culture.

[roadman65]

Isn't counter culture evolved into cancel culture?

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were once part of that culture and that molded them into what they are now. Both were in the White House and brought their influence with them when they made their decisions to run the country.

It's there still but became the norm. When Clinton and Obama became president, they both brought the sixties into politics.

[DTComposer]

Isn't counter culture evolved into cancel culture?

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were once part of that culture and that molded them into what they are now. Both were in the White House and brought their influence with them when they made their decisions to run the country.

It's there still but became the norm. When Clinton and Obama became president, they both brought the sixties into politics.

Obama was born in 1961 - so his '60s culture would have been Lite Brite, Etch-A-Sketch, and Space Ghost.

[JayhawkCO]

Isn't counter culture evolved into cancel culture?

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were once part of that culture and that molded them into what they are now. Both were in the White House and brought their influence with them when they made their decisions to run the country.

It's there still but became the norm. When Clinton and Obama became president, they both brought the sixties into politics.

I don't really see how any of this has anything to do with cancel culture?

[SEWIGuy]

Isn't counter culture evolved into cancel culture?

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were once part of that culture and that molded them into what they are now. Both were in the White House and brought their influence with them when they made their decisions to run the country.

It's there still but became the norm. When Clinton and Obama became president, they both brought the sixties into politics.

I don't really see how any of this has anything to do with cancel culture?

Or counter-culture actually.

[Big John]

culture on a counter :

[GaryV]

digging up vintage music from the 1980's, 1970's and earlier

If the copyright has expired, they can use it.

EDIT: Never mind. Song copyright is much longer than that.

[formulanone]

digging up vintage music from the 1980's, 1970's and earlier

If the copyright has expired, they can use it.

EDIT: Never mind. Song copyright is much longer than that.

Combination of age groups 35-65 still watching football and recording artists still wanting to be relevant. After all, it's usually much less expensive to license most music that hasn't been on the charts for 30 years, and I'm sure most one-hit wonders are glad to make some money and a little fame once again. Obviously, some artists wield a bit more control over their backcatalogue...Beatles and Led Zeppelin songs are expensive if not an outright "NO".

(Though, nice use of "Momma Said Knock You Out" for the hopes of defeating/suppressing childhood cancer.)

[Bobby5280]

A lot of that can be attributed to 80s nostalgia being the peak thing among older adults right now.  When I was kid it was the same thing with 60s stuff.

In the 1970's nostalgia for the 1950's was big (Happy Days, American Graffiti), just like 60's nostalgia in the mid-late 80's. But the difference with the 70's and 80's is those decades had their own very distinct and varied music styles. Those decades also had bands who, in my opinion, were more successful than any music acts today.

Michael Jackson's Thriller is still the biggest selling album of all time. Black and Black by AC/DC is solidly in second place all time. The Wall by Pink Floyd is in the top 10 best sellers list. So is the soundtrack for Dirty Dancing. All of those are from the 1980's. No one sells albums in numbers like that anymore. Not even Taylor Swift.

America had 100 million fewer people 40 years ago. Yet it was easier for music acts from that era to release albums that went gold, platinum or multi-platinum. I think one reason why was music was far more visible from a physical retail perspective. I'll also add the concert-going pastime hadn't yet been completely ruined by the Ticketmaster/LiveNation monopoly. It was easier and far less costly to get tickets to see a band like Van Halen live. MTV was in its prime during the 1980's.

What are the demographics of the buying audience...

More than just old and middle-age farts watch the Super Bowl. Also, by the time people are hitting their late 40's or getting into their 50's, their buying activity slows down a lot. Younger adults just starting out, particularly those building families, do a lot more buying of stuff.

I think the advertisers are stuck using vintage rock/pop music in their commercials because they know people in their 20's and 30's are going to be familiar with it (along with all the older farts like me). Most newer music acts just don't have the same reach.

I'm somewhat familiar with the bitter fued between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Drake is suing Universal Music over lyrics in the track Not Like Us. Still, I didn't get the significance of Serena Williams' Crip-Walking dance during that music number in the halftime show. After reading a little about Williams' brief relationship with Drake her appearance in the halftime show was quite a stinging burn. Most people aren't going to do "homework" like that. They'll stick to the music "channels" they prefer in their favorite streaming apps and not risk being exposed to other different content.

[thspfc]

Oddly, I thought yesterday was a conglomeration of the only 3 "mainstream" events to happen in the past year (for those of us that are under 30 at least): the Super Bowl, the rap beef, and the election. And it's still not hard to find people under 30 who didn't pay attention to at least one of those things.

[Max Rockatansky]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

[JayhawkCO]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

[Max Rockatansky]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

Thank you, I think that I get it now.  That's a lot of information to have to know to understand what was going on at a half time show though. 

[JayhawkCO]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

Thank you, I think that I get it now.  That's a lot of information to have to know to understand what was going on at a half time show though. 

The main thing to know is that "Not Like Us" is a diss track, which, historically were just these kind of one off songs that people listened to and forgot them. But this song became a huge hit, won a Grammy, and then got performed at the halftime show, so more of an insult for Drake.

[Rothman]

Where's the Beef?

[formulanone]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

Thank you, I think that I get it now.  That's a lot of information to have to know to understand what was going on at a half time show though. 

The main thing to know is that "Not Like Us" is a diss track, which, historically were just these kind of one off songs that people listened to and forgot them. But this song became a huge hit, won a Grammy, and then got performed at the halftime show, so more of an insult for Drake.

My daughter caught me up to speed on this about six months ago after a trip to the library to pick out CDs.

A tiny peek through the window of current pop culture; check back with me in about 3-5 years if anything else shines though. 

[JayhawkCO]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

Thank you, I think that I get it now.  That's a lot of information to have to know to understand what was going on at a half time show though. 

The main thing to know is that "Not Like Us" is a diss track, which, historically were just these kind of one off songs that people listened to and forgot them. But this song became a huge hit, won a Grammy, and then got performed at the halftime show, so more of an insult for Drake.

My daughter caught me up to speed on this about six months ago after a trip to the library to pick out CDs.

A tiny peek through the window of current pop culture; check back with me in about 3-5 years if anything else shines though. 

I find it all pretty ridiculous, but as someone who listened to a lot of rap during the East Coast/West Coast rivalry, I guess I understand why it's important to the kiddos nowadays.

[formulanone]

I didn't even know "the beef" was a thing until yesterday.  It sounds like a sandwich you'd get at Arby's though.

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.  I'm genuinely confused after trying to read a synopsis or two on the matter.  Anyone care to a stab at trying to explain?

The gist...

So Drake and Kendrick used to collaborate.

Then J. Cole, Kendrick, and Drake all started doing diss tracks at each other (with J. Cole dropping out eventually). Drake accused Kendrick of being a domestic abuser, and Kendrick responded calling him a sexual predator and that he had a kid he was keeping secret. The biggest diss was the song, "Not Like Us" where Kendrick calls Drake a pedophile. The emphatic lines are "Say, Drake, I hear you like 'em young. You better not ever go to cell block one. To any bitch that talk to him and they in love, just make sure you hide your lil' sister from him. // Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-minor."

Last night, Kendrick was wearing a lowercase a chain, which most people assumed was referring to "A-Minor". He also, in between songs, kept alluding to the fact he was going to sing "Not Like Us" and said "want to play their favorite song, but you know they love to sue." When he was actually finally rapping "Not Like Us", he censored a particularly profane line by saying "Hey Drake" while smiling big. SZA and Serena Williams were also both brought out on stage, both Drake's exes.

Thank you, I think that I get it now.  That's a lot of information to have to know to understand what was going on at a half time show though. 

The main thing to know is that "Not Like Us" is a diss track, which, historically were just these kind of one off songs that people listened to and forgot them. But this song became a huge hit, won a Grammy, and then got performed at the halftime show, so more of an insult for Drake.

My daughter caught me up to speed on this about six months ago after a trip to the library to pick out CDs.

A tiny peek through the window of current pop culture; check back with me in about 3-5 years if anything else shines though. 

I find it all pretty ridiculous, but as someone who listened to a lot of rap during the East Coast/West Coast rivalry, I guess I understand why it's important to the kiddos nowadays.

On our last trip to Tuscaloosa with my wife and daughter, I realized "hey, she's now an adult, I don't have to skip tracks anymore".

[Bobby5280]

I should add that now I'm aware of "the beef" doesn't mean I understand what it is actually about.

The whole "a-minor" gag makes it sound like the Hip-Hop version of the feud between Jerry Seinfeld and Bobcat Goldthwait. 31 years ago Goldthwait appeared on the Arsenio Hall Show, describing Seinfeld as a "spooky, weird Scientologist guy banging teenage girls." Seinfeld was around 40 at the time and his new girlfriend was only 17. Uh, yeah. It wasn't quite Jerry Lee Lewis territory, but it was still pretty creepy.

I like Lamar's catchy track Humble, but I wasn't surprised to see him self-censor lyrics in that track in the Super Bowl halftime show. Lines like "Bitch, be humble" wouldn't go over well with most ladies in the audience. I sure wouldn't attempt saying that crap to any lady I was dating!

[kphoger]

It's in the queer-celebrating spaces like Fringe Festivals.

I kinda feel like the current counterculture is the furry fandom, given that they're a queer subculture and that they've gotten not-quite-mainstream within the past few years with plenty scare articles about them from certain parts of the political spectrum.

These ... sound right.  But they're also rather specific and narrow in their reach.  Has the counter-cultural always been so, I don't know, niche?

[thspfc]

It's in the queer-celebrating spaces like Fringe Festivals.

I kinda feel like the current counterculture is the furry fandom, given that they're a queer subculture and that they've gotten not-quite-mainstream within the past few years with plenty scare articles about them from certain parts of the political spectrum.

These ... sound right.  But they're also rather specific and narrow in their reach.  Has the counter-cultural always been so, I don't know, niche?

I haven't seen a furry in real life in years. Which I am not complaining about.

[JayhawkCO]

It's in the queer-celebrating spaces like Fringe Festivals.

I kinda feel like the current counterculture is the furry fandom, given that they're a queer subculture and that they've gotten not-quite-mainstream within the past few years with plenty scare articles about them from certain parts of the political spectrum.

These ... sound right.  But they're also rather specific and narrow in their reach.  Has the counter-cultural always been so, I don't know, niche?

I mean, the main American counterculture, hippies, were much more widespread and lasted from basically 1964 to 1972.

There are a lot of other examples in American history -- beatniks, punks, etc., and I'd argue all of those were more widespread too.

[Scott5114]

I haven't seen a furry in real life in years. Which I am not complaining about.

How would you know if you did?