States that want to call highway-related terms differently

Started by Big John, November 01, 2023, 10:41:10 AM

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roadfro

Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 07:31:15 AM
California and the use of " the" for freeway names and calling interstates " Freeway x" more so than " Ix." However I will let Max weigh in on that last one aforementioned.

The "the" in California is not really an official usage, and is more of a colloquium used in Southern California to refer to freeway route numbers (not names).

You don't really see, at least in my experience, "Freeway #" written on signs. Sometimes you see "# Freeway" (where the '#' ca be a shield or a text number) on interchange sequence signs, but that seems to be disappearing more and more on new and replacement signage.
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Quote from: Road Hog on December 25, 2023, 05:16:22 AM
In Arkansas if you said you were going to the DMV, you'd get looked at funny. You get your driver's license and plates at the Revenue Office.
In Texas, the DMV is known as the DPS (Department of Public Safety).

While most of Texas (and the rest of the US) calls the little roads beside freeways "frontage roads", Houston calls them "feeder roads" or "feeders".
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chrisdiaz

Quote from: CoreySamson on December 30, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
While most of Texas (and the rest of the US) calls the little roads beside freeways "frontage roads", Houston calls them "feeder roads" or "feeders".
In New York, at least on Long Island, they were known as Service Roads.

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Quote from: chrisdiaz on December 30, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 30, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
While most of Texas (and the rest of the US) calls the little roads beside freeways "frontage roads", Houston calls them "feeder roads" or "feeders".
In New York, at least on Long Island, they were known as Service Roads.
Seen that term used in Mobile AL.

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Quote from: roadfro on December 28, 2023, 02:09:00 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 25, 2023, 07:31:15 AMCalifornia and the use of " the" for freeway names and calling interstates " Freeway x" more so than " Ix." However I will let Max weigh in on that last one aforementioned.

The "the" in California is not really an official usage, and is more of a colloquium used in Southern California to refer to freeway route numbers (not names).

You don't really see, at least in my experience, "Freeway #" written on signs. Sometimes you see "# Freeway" (where the '#' ca be a shield or a text number) on interchange sequence signs, but that seems to be disappearing more and more on new and replacement signage.

Northern California does not put "The" for Freeways. Sacramento its specific designation like US-50, Business 80, I-80 (Yes Business 80 and I-80 are different Routes).

However for San Francisco area its "Highway" before route Number to describe freeways like Highway 101. Highway 280, Highway 580, Highway 24, Highway 87. 

bwana39

Quote from: KCRoadFan on November 02, 2023, 09:29:09 PMIn Oklahoma and Texas, I've seen state highways marked at intersections as "SH (whatever the number is)".

In texas the SH is needed when the plain rectangular b&w signs are used, because the FM roads use the same sign body
Quote from: kphoger on November 03, 2023, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 03, 2023, 07:51:27 AMI wonder how Texas would designate Illinois-style unnumbered/hidden numbered state routes. Like here in Southern IL, most of Herrin Road is IDOT maintained and is for all intent and purposes, a state highway. The hidden Reference number is 908. So would that make it SH-908?

FM-908.

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No, 1 on them is FM908. The other one is Williamson County Road 908
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Quote from: bwana39 on April 10, 2025, 07:52:35 PMNo, 1 on them is FM908. The other one is Williamson County Road 908

I think you misunderstood.  The question was, "I wonder how Texas would designate Illinois-style unnumbered/hidden numbered state routes".  My answer was intended to mean that Texas would designate them as FM- routes.

What you're calling "Williamson County Road 908" is, I suppose, as a FAS route, technically considered to be a county road.  But, if Illinois were Texas, then it would be a proper secondary state highway.

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bwana39

Quote from: kphoger on April 10, 2025, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on April 10, 2025, 07:52:35 PMNo, 1 on them is FM908. The other one is Williamson County Road 908

I think you misunderstood.  The question was, "I wonder how Texas would designate Illinois-style unnumbered/hidden numbered state routes".  My answer was intended to mean that Texas would designate them as FM- routes.

What you're calling "Williamson County Road 908" is, I suppose, as a FAS route, technically considered to be a county road.  But, if Illinois were Texas, then it would be a proper secondary state highway.

I did misunderstand the question.    That said if it were a FAS route, it almost surely would either be a SH , SL, or  SS,  NOT an FM road, but there are FM labeled roads in Texas that have had significant upgrades even to the point of FM 1764 being a controlled access freeway.


 It probably would be a US Highway in Arkansas,
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mgk920

Here in Appleton, WI, various discontinuous south frontage roads along Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) is named 'Service Rd' (actual city street blade name).

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Quote from: mgk920 on April 11, 2025, 09:34:45 AMHere in Appleton, WI, various discontinuous south frontage roads along Northland Ave (Outagamie County 'OO'/old US 41) is named 'Service Rd' (actual city street blade name).

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There are a couple of these in Maryland, like this one.

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Quote from: bwana39 on April 10, 2025, 09:52:47 PMThat said if it were a FAS route, it almost surely would either be a SH , SL, or  SS, NOT an FM road ...

This feels right.  If Illinois were Texas, then...

(1) Herrin Rd between Johnston City (IL-37) and Blairsville (Cambria Rd) would be IL-908.

(2) Cambria Rd between Hurst (IL-149) and IL-13 might be IL-907.

But there are just so many FAS routes in that area, that I doubt they'd all be SH, SL, or SS.  For example...

(3) Corinth Rd between Johnston City (IL-37) and Harco Rd would probably be county roads, not IL-903.

(4) Division St between Colp (Herrin Rd) and Old Route 13 and then east to Marion would probably be county roads, not IL-909.

(5) Grand Ave between IL-148 and Cambria Rd would probably be county roads, not IL-2907.

Et cetera.

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