Cities where they only sign street name on guides but no route number

Started by roadman65, April 14, 2025, 10:38:29 AM

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roadman65

Places where street names are only featured on guides while the route numbers along them are ignored.


Boroughs are also included as well as other municipal corporations that do this.

Norfolk, VA on I-264. Exits 8, 9, and 10 do this.
Stroudsburg, PA on Eastbound I-80 at Exit 303 ignore PA 611 on Ninth Street.

Boonton, NJ ignores US 202 on I-287 Exits 43,44, and 45.  Northbound here also ignores Morris County Route 511 as well.

Tampa, FL ignores US 41 Business at Exit 45 on I-275.

Baltimore on I-895 Southbound Exit 7 ignores MD 2 South. Of course they are justified here as nearby I-895 Spur connects to MD 2 as well while bypassing Baltimore's Brooklyn neighborhood. Here is more for better traffic flow being MD 2 has high traffic counts between Baltimore and Annapolis.

Where purposely do guides ignore a US or state route on guide signs?
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All of I-264 in Virginia Beach with the exception of US 58.  Also VA 239 in Portsmouth beyond the exits already included.
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roadfro

This is SOP for pretty much any 500/600-series state route in the urban Las Vegas and Reno areas in Nevada (with notable exception of SR 564/Lake Mead Pkwy in Henderson).
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Flint1979

Not anywhere in Michigan I can think of. MDOT does a pretty good job of marking the routes.

Max Rockatansky

For some reason CA 213 isn't signed on I-405 approaching Western Avenue in Los Angeles.

Henry

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2025, 12:16:34 PMFor some reason CA 213 isn't signed on I-405 approaching Western Avenue in Los Angeles.
That's funny, because I seem to remember the opposite being true down there, that route shields appear on signs for streets where they are no longer in use (or, in roadgeek terms, decommissioned). One such example is CA 42 on Manchester and Firestone Boulevards, which last existed a quarter-century ago, yet the old signs were up for many more years until they were eventually replaced.
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Quote from: Henry on April 18, 2025, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2025, 12:16:34 PMFor some reason CA 213 isn't signed on I-405 approaching Western Avenue in Los Angeles.
That's funny, because I seem to remember the opposite being true down there, that route shields appear on signs for streets where they are no longer in use (or, in roadgeek terms, decommissioned). One such example is CA 42 on Manchester and Firestone Boulevards, which last existed a quarter-century ago, yet the old signs were up for many more years until they were eventually replaced.

And if you know where to look one can still find 42 signage (off the state Highway network).  The two that get me is that there is still copious amounts of on-freeway signage for 19 and 187.

Scott5114

Quote from: roadfro on April 17, 2025, 11:09:57 AMThis is SOP for pretty much any 500/600-series state route in the urban Las Vegas and Reno areas in Nevada (with notable exception of SR 564/Lake Mead Pkwy in Henderson).

Clark County is planning on having full signage for NV-613 after the interchange with CC-215 is redone. Which is kind of funny since NDOT has no plans to do the same on the I-11 end of the route, and it's their own damn route number.

I kind of wonder if the "don't sign 5xx/6xx routes" is a written policy somewhere, and NDOT is tripping over that because whoever wrote that policy never contemplated that a freeway would get a 6xx number.
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roadfro

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 19, 2025, 01:19:08 AM
Quote from: roadfro on April 17, 2025, 11:09:57 AMThis is SOP for pretty much any 500/600-series state route in the urban Las Vegas and Reno areas in Nevada (with notable exception of SR 564/Lake Mead Pkwy in Henderson).

Clark County is planning on having full signage for NV-613 after the interchange with CC-215 is redone. Which is kind of funny since NDOT has no plans to do the same on the I-11 end of the route, and it's their own damn route number.
I guess I was kinda thinking just from the NDOT signage perspective. Not too long after NDOT took on maintenance of Summerlin Pkwy, these SR 613 shields were installed atop the existing Summerlin Pkwy exit signage along the 215 beltway—these came a few years before any SR 613 shields appeared on Summerlin Pkwy itself.

Interestingly, with the recent project along the west end of Summerlin Pkwy (which I think was an NDOT project), they installed freeway entrance assemblies and replaced BGSs along the side streets, and ended up with new BGS signage like this that shows the SR 613 shields. Which makes it doubly interesting that the I-11 signage replacements lack SR 613 shields for the replacement Summerlin Pkwy signage—although having looked at those plans, there were a lot of interesting or questionable sign design choices in that plan set.

I guess it's appropriate to say that SR 613 should be added to the exception.

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 19, 2025, 01:19:08 AMI kind of wonder if the "don't sign 5xx/6xx routes" is a written policy somewhere, and NDOT is tripping over that because whoever wrote that policy never contemplated that a freeway would get a 6xx number.

If I had to guess, it's probably a combination of these routes not really going anywhere such that the number is needed for navigational purposes such that they don't need to be signed and NDOT probably thinking they wouldn't be holding on to so many of the 500/600-series routes as long as they have (NDOT has long wanted to offload a lot of their urban arterial routes, and that relinquishment of state maintenance activity has only been increasing as of the last decade or so).

But I would agree that NDOT probably didn't contemplate ever assigning a 500/600-series number to a freeway. I'm still surprised they went with 613 for Summerlin Pkwy instead of taking an available number in the 100s, given the functional classification of the route is more "primary" in nature...but I guess 613 does still fit the "urban" route classification scheme. (Way before I-11 was even contemplated, I'd suggested Summerlin Pkwy should become SR 195 if it ever got a state highway number, marking it as a "branch" of US 95.)
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wriddle082

In Nashville, they don't sign the following:

* US 31/41/431 at I-24 Exit 48 in either direction for James Robertson Pkwy.
* US 70 at I-40/65 Exit 209 westbound only for Church St/Charlotte Ave, but it's signed eastbound.
* Most of the signage for Murfreesboro Rd at the I-24/40/440 interchange complex will acknowledge US 41 but not US 70S.

I'm pretty sure Memphis and Chattanooga each have a few interchanges where they don't post the shields, but I can't recall any specifics.  Knoxville tends to be pretty good about not leaving them out, especially since signage has been extensively replaced and updated during the various widenings of I-40/75 over the years.

roadman65

In New Jersey 600 series routes are normally never signed, but in Gloucester County on I-295 and US 130 they do sign them.
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