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Started by gonealookin, November 27, 2018, 11:43:03 PM

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cl94

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 15, 2025, 12:38:12 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2025, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 14, 2025, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 12, 2025, 05:03:08 PMPerhaps Nevada's first toll road will be toll lanes in the Las Vegas area.

You'd have to get us to have license plates first.

I never understood how the lack of license plates in Nevada and California is so widely accepted.  I was surprised California actually enacted a temp tag law.

LVMPD just doesn't bother enforcing it (sheriff says it's not a priority), and I get the impression that NHP considers Clark County more or less out of their jurisdiction (I think I've seen one state trooper in the past year). DMV supposedly has a uniformed service that solely enforces DMV-type things but I've never seen it.

NHP doesn't give a crap about it up here, either. They and the locals have far more things to deal with, like the idiots street racing. They clocked someone going 125 on a surface road not far from me last month. How they managed that in the middle of the day remains a question, but I saw the guy pulled over while driving in the other direction and wondered why he was doing the line walk.
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Scott5114

Quote from: cl94 on April 15, 2025, 12:41:49 AMNHP doesn't give a crap about it up here, either. They and the locals have far more things to deal with, like the idiots street racing.

Yes, that's what Metro says too. Street racing is a problem here too, as well as whatever you call it when a bunch of people block off an intersection so they can do donuts in the middle of it with their fancy cars. (Somehow, Metro can't solve either of these problems, either.)
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roadfro

Quote from: cl94 on April 15, 2025, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 15, 2025, 12:38:12 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2025, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 14, 2025, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 12, 2025, 05:03:08 PMPerhaps Nevada's first toll road will be toll lanes in the Las Vegas area.

You'd have to get us to have license plates first.

I never understood how the lack of license plates in Nevada and California is so widely accepted.  I was surprised California actually enacted a temp tag law.

LVMPD just doesn't bother enforcing it (sheriff says it's not a priority), and I get the impression that NHP considers Clark County more or less out of their jurisdiction (I think I've seen one state trooper in the past year). DMV supposedly has a uniformed service that solely enforces DMV-type things but I've never seen it.

NHP doesn't give a crap about it up here, either. They and the locals have far more things to deal with, like the idiots street racing. They clocked someone going 125 on a surface road not far from me last month. How they managed that in the middle of the day remains a question, but I saw the guy pulled over while driving in the other direction and wondered why he was doing the line walk.


I've never understood this myself. I drive around all the time and see expired temp tags. I saw one not too long ago that was at least two months expired. These things have unique identifiers...you'd think the DMV would have some kind of follow-up to make sure these vehicles get registered.

I get that registering your car in Nevada is somewhat expensive (we gotta make up for not having a state income tax somehow...). But that's the price to pay if you wanna have a car here. And I always kinda wonder if these are people that also drive around without insurance...
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Plutonic Panda

I'd say it's pretty bad in Oklahoma too. I can't remember any anytime I've ever gone out around Oklahoma City and haven't seen temp tags that haven't been several years at minimum expired.

cl94

Funny enough, I was stopped behind a car without any tags on my drive to work today. And this wasn't exactly a trashy neighborhood, either!
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Scott5114

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 15, 2025, 03:30:38 PMI'd say it's pretty bad in Oklahoma too. I can't remember any anytime I've ever gone out around Oklahoma City and haven't seen temp tags that haven't been several years at minimum expired.

Believe it or not, it is actually worse in Las Vegas (and apparently in Northern Nevada too). Seeing a car with no license plate at all, not even an expired one, is a near-daily occurrence.
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gonealookin

This sounds like a traffic headache for the next two summers on US 50 on the east shore of Lake Tahoe (April through October 2025, and again April through October 2026).  As I've mentioned here before, the only access to my subdivision is off that highway.

https://www.dot.nv.gov/Home/Components/News/News/8410/395

QuoteThe Nevada Department of Transportation is advising Tahoe motorists to prepare for lane reductions beginning April 21 on the U.S. 50 Tahoe East Shore as a two-season highway repaving and improvement project launches.
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The project will resurface just over 13 miles of U.S. 50 from the Spooner Summit Trailhead near the U.S. 50/State Route 28 intersection to the Nevada/California border at Stateline.
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Three inches of aging roadway surface will be removed and replaced with new asphalt.

There are a number of other improvements planned besides the full repaving, but conspicuously, "The resurfacing will not reduce the number of highway lanes and will not include major turn lane or intersection reconfigurations."  A road diet was proposed for portions of the highway, reducing it from two through lanes each way to one lane each way + center turn lane + bike lanes, but community opposition was so vehement that NDOT withdrew that proposal.  In addition, a roundabout has been floated to replace the current T intersection at US 50/SR 28, scene of some nasty T-bone crashes, but the roundabout is specifically not a part of this project.

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moabdave

Quote from: roadfro on April 15, 2025, 12:48:54 PMI've never understood this myself. I drive around all the time and see expired temp tags. I saw one not too long ago that was at least two months expired. These things have unique identifiers...you'd think the DMV would have some kind of follow-up to make sure these vehicles get registered.

From memory, it wasn't always like this. The DMV had a botched computer upgrade years ago (I want to say late GWB years or early Obama years) and the state had no choice but to accept people driving with expired licenses and registrations while the kinks were being worked out. (I remember people complaining on talk radio and letters to the editor, etc. about how the state is saying "don't worry all Nevada Police depts. are aware of the problems with the DMV upgrade and know to be patient" but that does nothing for people who had expired licenses,plates, etc. driving in other states.) But Nevada never seemed to recover from that, even though that upgrade was years ago and the DMV has operated relatively smoothly since. It just suddenly became accepted to see cars with expired registrations on the road.

roadfro

Quote from: moabdave on May 01, 2025, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: roadfro on April 15, 2025, 12:48:54 PMI've never understood this myself. I drive around all the time and see expired temp tags. I saw one not too long ago that was at least two months expired. These things have unique identifiers...you'd think the DMV would have some kind of follow-up to make sure these vehicles get registered.

From memory, it wasn't always like this. The DMV had a botched computer upgrade years ago (I want to say late GWB years or early Obama years) and the state had no choice but to accept people driving with expired licenses and registrations while the kinks were being worked out. (I remember people complaining on talk radio and letters to the editor, etc. about how the state is saying "don't worry all Nevada Police depts. are aware of the problems with the DMV upgrade and know to be patient" but that does nothing for people who had expired licenses,plates, etc. driving in other states.) But Nevada never seemed to recover from that, even though that upgrade was years ago and the DMV has operated relatively smoothly since. It just suddenly became accepted to see cars with expired registrations on the road.
Saw an expired temp tag just a few days ago that expired late November 2024...five months old.

Nevada DMV is currently undergoing a multi-year project to modernize their systems through what they've been calling "DMV Transformation Effort" (DTE). They are rebuilding their antiquated systems in an effort to be able to offer more services online, with eventual goal of having most services be available online or at a kiosk. This includes their recent releases of "Turbo Title" and "Rapid Registration" services, although if I'm understanding the webpages about these services correctly, it doesn't seem like transactions from Nevada dealer sales are eligible for these new services at this time. But it seems that if they can offer these things with their new system, they should be able to build the digital infrastructure to really focus on being able to make those transactions a priority and be able to easily track down the scofflaws that go way over expiration on temp tags.
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Great Lakes Roads

https://henderson215.com/

A widening is coming to a three-mile stretch of I-215 through Henderson.
Included in this project is a reconfiguration of the Green Valley Parkway interchange into a DDI.
-Jay Seaburg

Scott5114

It will be interesting to see if the city that couldn't handle a dumbbell roundabout can handle a DDI.
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DenverBrian

It'll be interesting to see how they can cram six lanes in each direction plus shoulders into that right of way.

roadfro

Quote from: DenverBrian on May 29, 2025, 09:22:15 AMIt'll be interesting to see how they can cram six lanes in each direction plus shoulders into that right of way.
There's plenty of ROW for 5 travel lanes plus aux lane along this stretch. They might have to cut into the slopes though.

Most bridges along the 215 were built to eventually accommodate 5 travel lanes underneath (e.g. Green Valley Pkwy over 215).
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gonealookin

Nevada state law generally prohibits use of cameras for enforcement of traffic laws.

QuoteNRS 484A.600  Use by governmental entity or agent of photographic, video or digital equipment to gather evidence for issuance of traffic citation or civil infraction citation.  A governmental entity and any agent thereof shall not use photographic, video or digital equipment for gathering evidence to be used for the issuance of a traffic citation or civil infraction citation pursuant to NRS 484A.7035 for a violation of chapters 484A to 484E, inclusive, of NRS unless the equipment is a portable camera or event recording device worn or held by a peace officer, the equipment is otherwise installed temporarily or permanently within a vehicle or facility of a law enforcement agency or the equipment is privately owned by a nongovernmental entity.

However, in the recently concluded legislative session, AB 527 was passed and was signed by the Governor.  This creates an exception to 484A.600.  I'll just link the text of AB 527, but to summarize, a school district can choose to install "school bus infraction detection systems", i.e. cameras which would record somebody passing a school bus whose red lights are flashing.  Images collected by the cameras can be handed over to law enforcement, which will review the evidence and mail a violation notice to the registered owner of the vehicle.  It looks like it's then up to the car's owner to rebut, for example by saying someone else was doing the driving.

roadfro

Quote from: gonealookin on June 20, 2025, 07:44:20 PMNevada state law generally prohibits use of cameras for enforcement of traffic laws.

QuoteNRS 484A.600  Use by governmental entity or agent of photographic, video or digital equipment to gather evidence for issuance of traffic citation or civil infraction citation.  A governmental entity and any agent thereof shall not use photographic, video or digital equipment for gathering evidence to be used for the issuance of a traffic citation or civil infraction citation pursuant to NRS 484A.7035 for a violation of chapters 484A to 484E, inclusive, of NRS unless the equipment is a portable camera or event recording device worn or held by a peace officer, the equipment is otherwise installed temporarily or permanently within a vehicle or facility of a law enforcement agency or the equipment is privately owned by a nongovernmental entity.

However, in the recently concluded legislative session, AB 527 was passed and was signed by the Governor.  This creates an exception to 484A.600.  I'll just link the text of AB 527, but to summarize, a school district can choose to install "school bus infraction detection systems", i.e. cameras which would record somebody passing a school bus whose red lights are flashing.  Images collected by the cameras can be handed over to law enforcement, which will review the evidence and mail a violation notice to the registered owner of the vehicle.  It looks like it's then up to the car's owner to rebut, for example by saying someone else was doing the driving.
I was aware of a couple other bills that proposed camera traffic enforcement this session (a red light camera bill and temporary cameras in work zones), both of which didn't pass. But this one was not on my radar. I don't mind this one, but also curious how many school districts have the money to install these systems and get local law enforcement to review and issue citations. 
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

Scott5114

Quote from: gonealookin on June 20, 2025, 07:44:20 PMHowever, in the recently concluded legislative session, AB 527 was passed and was signed by the Governor.  This creates an exception to 484A.600.  I'll just link the text of AB 527, but to summarize, a school district can choose to install "school bus infraction detection systems", i.e. cameras which would record somebody passing a school bus whose red lights are flashing.  Images collected by the cameras can be handed over to law enforcement, which will review the evidence and mail a violation notice to the registered owner of the vehicle.  It looks like it's then up to the car's owner to rebut, for example by saying someone else was doing the driving.

Quote from: roadfro on June 21, 2025, 02:11:43 AMI don't mind this one, but also curious how many school districts have the money to install these systems and get local law enforcement to review and issue citations.

For an infraction that occurred in Clark County, would the relevant agency here be CCSD police, or Metro? I would imagine the school district police (in places that have it; I'm not sure whether that's a thing that exists up north) would be more inclined to pursue this type of thing (not having other types of cases on their docket), but I don't know if they have the legal authority to do so. I think the interior of school bus is CCSD police jurisdiction (so they could handle a pupil alleged to be breaking the law on the bus), but does that extend to the outside of the bus?

The law dictates that any fines collected go to the school district, rather than the city or county general fund or the police department, so that seems like it could disincentivize general-purpose law enforcement agencies from prioritizing such things.
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gonealookin

My reading of it is that in Clark and Washoe Counties, it would be the school district police (for school districts that have their own police staff).

QuoteNRS 289.190  School police officers; other officers and employees of school district.

1.  A person employed or appointed to serve as a school police officer pursuant to subsection 5 of NRS 391.281 has the powers of a peace officer. A school police officer shall perform the officer's duties in compliance with the provisions of NRS 171.1223.

QuoteNRS 171.1223  Peace officer with limited jurisdiction must notify primary law enforcement agency of commission of certain felonies; transfer of investigation to primary law enforcement agency.

1.  Except as otherwise provided in subsection 3, in a county whose population is 100,000 or more, a peace officer with limited jurisdiction who witnesses a category A felony being committed or attempted in the officer's presence, or has reasonable cause for believing a person has committed or attempted to commit a category A felony in an area that is within the officer's jurisdiction, shall immediately notify the primary law enforcement agency in the city or county, as appropriate, where the offense or attempted offense was committed.
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3.  The provisions of subsection 1 do not:
(a) Apply to an offense or attempted offense that is a misdemeanor, gross misdemeanor or felony other than a category A felony.
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4.  As used in this section:
(a) "Peace officer with limited jurisdiction" means:
(1) A school police officer who is appointed or employed pursuant to subsection 5 of NRS 391.281.

All that seems to say a CCSD police officer can process anything but a category A felony by themselves, without assistance from Metro.

In Douglas County we have a decent-sized school district but I'm pretty sure there's no separate DCSD law enforcement.  Any issues involving the schools are handled by the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.  That's likely the case anywhere outside the Las Vegas Valley and Reno/Sparks.



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