Using AI to Moderate Discussion Forums

[LilianaUwU]

Your nephew is as smart as the Secretary of Education

Come on, 1995hoo's nephew doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.

[formulanone]

'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.

At the dinner table, our nephew once asked me to pass the "Al" (as in "You Can Call Me"). He was referring to this stuff:





.....which, in turn, is making me try to envision using that stuff to moderate a discussion forum.

A1A, US 1 Alternate and fantasy Autoroute 1 discussions only, everything else is off-topic.

[1995hoo]

Your nephew is as smart as the Secretary of Education

Come on, 1995hoo's nephew doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.

Our nephew was also not yet ten years old when he said that.

[Daisy Rahman]

I am beginning to notice the growing use of AI to self moderate various discussion boards across the internet.

Examples:

- A recent inquiry on a laptop preference generated an AI response that my request was to broad and that I had not used the search tool adequately
- A travel site bounced a response to someone looking for advice on how to travel through Italy, the response from AI was "your reply does not meet the minimum standards set out by the forum, please review before any future posts"
- Another one was "your response does not appear to be related to the OP's original question, please review our posting standards and reconsider your reply". I assume this is to keep people from going too far off topic.

This is an interesting response in how the social framework of certain discussion forums work online.

A general "come here to talk the subject, otherwise don't come here".

Have you seen this in your surveys of the web sphere and if so were they accurate, obtrusive or just downright insulting based on what you were contributing?

And for @Max Rockatansky , I am not aware of any AI that states "the self moderation of this forum does not allow contributions with the subject of Buc-ee's, please review our forum guidelines and find another topic to contribute"   

AI for moderation is a step forward, but I don't really like the idea that soon AI will be everywhere and will control everything. Terminator is back.

[Scott5114]

AI for moderation is a step forward

I would dispute even this assertion.

[mgk920]

'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.

Whenever I parse AI as AL, I think: "Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"

It's unnecessary garbage; if people want to have a conversation with a chat bot, they should keep that to themselves.

I mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?

I could see it in use for someone's first post, though I don't think AI is going to be able to cover every aspect of a subject (or range of subjects) with the same precision.

From past experience in moderating a much larger forum, if someone's first post is to talk about anything other than the main scope of discussion (with the exception of login/registration issues), they are 99.5% likely to be Bad News (spammer, bot, immature individual, or a formerly-banned member rejoining). That last 0.5% is a tossup between not understanding the core discussion (for example, someone joining AARoads to voice a concern about a car broken down on 15th Avenue in Slackersburg), or someone with a very weird fetish.

In some forvms that I frequent I now have to use 'creative' misspellings of certain key words and use word/phases such as 'delete' or 'self delete' in postings just to get past the AI moderation.

Just a sign of the times, I guess.

Mike

[formulanone]

'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.

Whenever I parse AI as AL, I think: "Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"

It's unnecessary garbage; if people want to have a conversation with a chat bot, they should keep that to themselves.

I mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?

I could see it in use for someone's first post, though I don't think AI is going to be able to cover every aspect of a subject (or range of subjects) with the same precision.

From past experience in moderating a much larger forum, if someone's first post is to talk about anything other than the main scope of discussion (with the exception of login/registration issues), they are 99.5% likely to be Bad News (spammer, bot, immature individual, or a formerly-banned member rejoining). That last 0.5% is a tossup between not understanding the core discussion (for example, someone joining AARoads to voice a concern about a car broken down on 15th Avenue in Slackersburg), or someone with a very weird fetish.

In some forvms that I frequent I now have to use 'creative' misspellings of certain key words and use word/phases such as 'delete' or 'self delete' in postings just to get past the AI moderation.

Just a sign of the times, I guess.

Mike

If this has happened to more than once, have you considered that perhaps you're adding content that's undesirable?

Also, we've created the letter U now. Comes in two flavors, upper and lower-case and doesn't look vnctvovs.

[hotdogPi]

If this has happened to more than once, have you considered that perhaps you're adding content that's undesirable?

Sometimes it's a problem with the algorithm, such as people having to censor LGBT-related terms to avoid it being incorrectly flagged as homophobic or transphobic even though the content is supportive rather than against it.

And try talking about certain video games without using the word "kill". It even comes up in Minecraft, which is not your typical shooter.

[kphoger]

And try talking about certain video games without using the word "kill".

terminate with extreme prejudice

[GaryV]

You don't kill, you undead them.

[Max Rockatansky]

You introduce sudden full body necrosis.

[formulanone]

Modify color and presentation of pixels

[mgk920]

I have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.

< rolleyes >

Mike

[mgk920]

You don't kill, you undead them.

'Unalive' them?

Mike

[GaryV]

Yeah, you're right. Either way, you're having to make up weird words just to get around using a perfectly good word.

Reminds me of an official FLL robotics forum long ago. In the robot game, there was something called a "specialist". The forum wouldn't accept the word because hidden inside it is the name of a drug used for ED. Had to change the "i" to a "1" to get it through.

[kphoger]

I have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.

Well, I guess there's no recommending that visitors to Kansas City go tour the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, then.

[SectorZ]

I have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.

< rolleyes >

Mike

No discussing a particular college fund on those forums apparently.

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

[kphoger]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

[Rothman]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

Not weird given its pronunciation.

[JayhawkCO]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

Not weird given its pronunciation.

The name is pronounced KEE-kay. So it wouldn't need an accent. It's just to not have it be a slur in English.

[hotdogPi]

The accent could have gone on the I.

[JayhawkCO]

The accent could have gone on the I.

Which is also redundant. So either way it's goofy.

[kphoger]

It would have been a lot simpler to not use the letter k, which is foreign to the Spanish language, at all.  The more common spelling of the nickname is Quique.  Just go with that instead.

Then again, a quick Google search reveals that it all started because an announcer got the pronunciation wrong, and I suspect announcers wouldn't have an easier time with Quique...

[formulanone]

Fringe Problems That Didn't Happen to You for $200, Alex

[SectorZ]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

His nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml

Note wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)