Roadgeek Cold Takes

Started by Max Rockatansky, June 24, 2025, 08:47:39 PM

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Scott5114

Well, what I was getting at is that it depends on if you consider "someone not paying attention could crash into the center of the roundabout" a bug, as some people in the "crash-prone roundabouts" thread do, or if you consider it a feature that filters out people that shouldn't be allowed to continue because they are clearly impaired in some way. If you consider it a bug, then you could argue that a four-way stop is superior for that one reason. If you think it's a feature, then a roundabout is clearly superior in every way.
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kphoger

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 26, 2025, 03:14:57 PMWell, what I was getting at is that it depends on if you consider "someone not paying attention could crash into the center of the roundabout" a bug, as some people in the "crash-prone roundabouts" thread do, or if you consider it a feature that filters out people that shouldn't be allowed to continue because they are clearly impaired in some way. If you consider it a bug, then you could argue that a four-way stop is superior for that one reason. If you think it's a feature, then a roundabout is clearly superior in every way.

Oh, I totally understand.  My point was only that four-way stops don't actually force everyone to stop any more than roundabouts do.

I suppose the 'reduce the chances' part is true, as the odds of both drivers running a four-way stop at 65 mph are extremely slim.

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thspfc

Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2025, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2025, 07:58:48 PMAnd all four-way stops should be burned with fire.  Any intersection design that requires every single vehicle to come to a complete stop, every single time, no matter what, is a failure.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 25, 2025, 08:31:03 PMI can forgive them for that when it's a state highway intersection in the middle of nowhere where you're basically just making everyone stop to reduce the chances of someone getting T-boned at 65 mph.

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Tell me how a four-way stop accomplishes that better than a roundabout.
It doesn't. It's a lot cheaper.

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Quote from: thspfc on June 26, 2025, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2025, 09:15:27 AMRoundabouts have entered the conversation.

Tell me how a four-way stop accomplishes that better than a roundabout.
It doesn't. It's a lot cheaper.
There's a four-way stop in my neighborhood. It fits in well with my county's excessive enthusiasm for traffic calming. But there's no room for a roundabout at that intersection, except by tearing down at least eight adjacent housing units.
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I could see a four way stop being the only reasonable option in a location with very limited visibility.
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kphoger

Quote from: oscar on June 26, 2025, 08:59:51 PMBut there's no room for a roundabout at that intersection, except by tearing down at least eight adjacent housing units.

Mini roundabouts have entered the chat.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mwpFaLdfqgNgBK8V9

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Scott5114

Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2025, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: oscar on June 26, 2025, 08:59:51 PMBut there's no room for a roundabout at that intersection, except by tearing down at least eight adjacent housing units.

Mini roundabouts have entered the chat.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mwpFaLdfqgNgBK8V9

Norman has a few of them.
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sprjus4

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 27, 2025, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2025, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: oscar on June 26, 2025, 08:59:51 PMBut there's no room for a roundabout at that intersection, except by tearing down at least eight adjacent housing units.

Mini roundabouts have entered the chat.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mwpFaLdfqgNgBK8V9

Norman has a few of them.
Eh... the side streets have stop signs and the straight through road doesn't have any traffic control. Even though it's designed like a roundabout and may slow traffic, it should have yield controls for all 4 approaches.

Roundabouts and stop signs don't go together.

kphoger

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 27, 2025, 12:03:53 AMNorman has a few of them.

Even if that were a proper mini roundabout, I specifically avoided linking to an example with a hard center island, because I have an irrational hatred for them.  Not quite sure what it is about them...

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Scott5114

Quote from: kphoger on June 27, 2025, 09:10:31 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 27, 2025, 12:03:53 AMNorman has a few of them.

Even if that were a proper mini roundabout, I specifically avoided linking to an example with a hard center island, because I have an irrational hatred for them.  Not quite sure what it is about them...

It's all right. I have an irrational hatred for Oakhurst (mostly because I always seemed to get caught at the light on Lindsey back when I lived in Eastridge).
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