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Route 36 near Peanut

Started by cahwyguy, September 08, 2025, 09:02:45 PM

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cahwyguy

I'm doing more work on the podcast, and I was exploring the 9th state route defined: What became Route 36 between Kuntz (now Mad River) and Peanut. This was the 1909 LRN 35. What's interesting (and seems not to have been discussed in this forum or in Tom's blogs) is that there is an Old Hwy 36 coming W out of Peanut. Here's what I've worked up regarding that, from USGS map comparisons and such:

QuoteThe first segment of the route constructed was between Kuntz (Mad River) and Peanut. The routing originally followed Rattlesnake Road and "Old Hwy 36" between Forest Glen and Peanut, along Post Creek and Philpot Creek. This routing is shown on the 1935 USGS map of the area, and remained in use until after 1970, when a new routing for Route 36 E of Forest Glen that ran S of Peanut opened; at that time, Route 3 was extended from Peanut SW for 4 mi to the new Route 36, and the old routing (Rattlesnake Road and "Old Hwy 36" W of Peanut (LRN 35); 13 Dips Road, Forest Rte 30N19, Landis Gulch, and Wildwood Road (LRN 29) E of Peanut) was relinquished.

What I'm looking for is:

1. More details on the construction of the new routing that bypassed Peanut, when it opened, and any other information.

2. Confirmation that I have the older route correct. What's interesting is that most of the old route is not on GSV.

Everyone focuses on the Route 172 segment of LRN 29/Sign Route 36. This section looks to be equally interesting.
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NE2

Based on state maps, the portion east of Peanut was bypassed in 1966-67, with a temporary 36 on Post Mountain Road until the remainder (and new 3 south of Peanut) opened in 1970-75.

Other nearby old alignments include (using OSM names):
Shields Road/White Rock Road/Compound Drive
Platina School Road
Goldsborough Gulch/Beegum Road
Stewart Ranch Road
Dibble Creek Road

And old SR 3:
Nelson Road/Summit Creek Road
roughly following the power lines west of Little Creek
cutoff just east of B-Bar-K Road to the hairpinny dirt road, then on Reading Creek Road and Marshall Ranch Road
pre-1945 Florida route log

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cahwyguy

Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2025, 09:46:12 PMBased on state maps, the portion east of Peanut was bypassed in 1966-67, with a temporary 36 on Post Mountain Road until the remainder (and new 3 south of Peanut) opened in 1970-75.

Other nearby old alignments include (using OSM names):
Shields Road/White Rock Road/Compound Drive
Platina School Road
Goldsborough Gulch/Beegum Road
Stewart Ranch Road
Dibble Creek Road

And old SR 3:
Nelson Road/Summit Creek Road
roughly following the power lines west of Little Creek
cutoff just east of B-Bar-K Road to the hairpinny dirt road, then on Reading Creek Road and Marshall Ranch Road

OSM? Can you provide some pointers to these maps?

As for the other nearby old alignments: I was pretty much focused on the section of the route W of Wildwood (and I'm pretty sure of the 13 Dips Road, Forest Rte 30N19, Landis Gulch, and Wildwood Road for LRN 29 before 1967. Can you explain them. I'd be interesting in confirming them for the areas N of Peanut (the unsigned alignment of LRN 35 that became Route 3 after 1964, and other parts of LRN 29 E of Wildwood.
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NE2

OSM is OpenStreetMap. I'm using the street names from it rather than Google or anything else.

I can confirm the old 36 thru Peanut from my own research.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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cahwyguy

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Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2025, 10:08:43 PMOSM is OpenStreetMap. I'm using the street names from it rather than Google or anything else.

I can confirm the old 36 thru Peanut from my own research.

I don't have OSM (or at least not that I'm aware of). I'm glad I have old 36 right. Do you have the pointers to the maps that derived the other former routes N of Peanut or E of Wildwood?

[I'll also add these links to my maps page ( https://www.cahighways.org/maps.html ), where I'm collecting all sorts of map-related research resources. I found out recently that the LA Metro archives is using my pages as a starting point for research, so I want to make it more useful. Note that this page will see some heavy updates when I upload the next round of updates in a couple of months.]
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Max Rockatansky

Doesn't seem to be in the CHPWs (I double checked).  NE2 is correct that the alignment is shown constructed by 1975.  The 1970 DOH map displays the adopted new alignment.  The current alignment shows an adopted proposed corridor on the 1967 DOH map.  A different adopted alignment not fully bypassing Peanut appears on the 1965 DOH map. 

I suspect this has something to do with the 1964 Christmas Floods.  The Jan/Feb 1965 CHPW mentions damage to the section of Sign Route 36 west of Red Bluff because of the floods (page 468).  Three bridges are noted to have been destroyed:

https://archive.org/details/californiahighwa196465calirich/page/n467/mode/2up?q=36&view=theater

NE2

pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

cahwyguy

Thanks. If you're using Historic Aerials for comparison of Topo maps, I'd suggest USGS Topoview https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/topoview/viewer/#4/39.98/-100.06 . They have a neat transparency feature that is a little easier than the slider (plus, you don't have the watermarks).
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