__________ is/are overrated.

[kphoger]

There are even schools called the 'Medical College of Wisconsin' and the 'Milwaukee School of Engineering (MSOE)' that, to the best of my knowledge, are unaffiliated with any university.

Mike

The same Medical College of Wisconsin that does indeed offer MD and PhD programs?

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[GaryV]

There are even schools called the 'Medical College of Wisconsin' and the 'Milwaukee School of Engineering (MSOE)' that, to the best of my knowledge, are unaffiliated with any university.

How does that differ from private schools that do happen to have "university" in their name, e.g. University of Phoenix?

[kphoger]

How does that differ from private schools that do happen to have "university" in their name, e.g. University of Phoenix?

Or Harvard University, which is a private school.  Is there any real difference between a college and a university, other than a rough correlation to size?

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[JayhawkCO]

Or Harvard University, which is a private school.  Is there any real difference between a college and a university, other than a rough correlation to size?

In theory, a university consists of multiple colleges.

[1995hoo]

Or Harvard University, which is a private school.  Is there any real difference between a college and a university, other than a rough correlation to size?

In theory, a university consists of multiple colleges.

And then you have the College of William & Mary, which is a university but doesn't use that word. I believe the rationale is that its original charter from 1693 said it was to be known as a college.

[mgk920]

To the best of my knowledge, the 'Medical College of Wisconsin' (located in the Milwaukee area) has no connection with the University of Wisconsin (located in Madison).  UW Medical even has a residency clinic here in Appleton.

Mike

[DTComposer]

Or Harvard University, which is a private school.  Is there any real difference between a college and a university, other than a rough correlation to size?

In theory, a university consists of multiple colleges.

Also in theory (or at least historically), a university is supposed to be more "research-oriented" and has the ability to grant doctoral degrees.

For many years the "state schools" were branded as colleges instead of universities based on this difference - so you'd have University of Michigan and Michigan State College, University of Washington and Washington State College, etc. In the post-WWII boom many of the state college systems expanded both their size and focus and were granted "university" status.

[mgk920]

Also, right now, I would be more inclined to hire a lawyer who APPRENTICED his or her way into the  Bar - rolling up the sleeves and getting the hands dirty with practical real life experience the whole way (rather than graduating from this or that university law school with whatever built in agenda).

Mike

[kphoger]

To the best of my knowledge, the 'Medical College of Wisconsin' (located in the Milwaukee area) has no connection with the University of Wisconsin (located in Madison).

Mike

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.  Chicago State University has no connection with either Chicago Theological Seminary or The Chicago School of Professional Psychology.  So what?

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[hbelkins]

The purpose of the degree has always been to show how smart you are to employers.

Better reread your history before making this point again!

The purpose of degrees has always been to show how smart you are to employers.

That sounds like a "university studies" degree or "general studies" degree.

You basically majored in nothing except going to school.

This is also known as the D1 athlete degree.

No, that's physical education.

[Molandfreak]

Also, right now, I would be more inclined to hire a lawyer who APPRENTICED his or her way into the  Bar - rolling up the sleeves and getting the hands dirty with practical real life experience the whole way (rather than graduating from this or that university law school with whatever built in agenda).

Mike

Ok, now we're actually getting somewhere to the heart of your issue, but pop quiz, hotshot:

Where did JD Vance do his apprenticeship? Where did Mike Pence do his apprenticeship? Where did Marco Rubio do his apprenticeship? Where did Ted Cruz do his apprenticeship?

That's right, they are all conservative, bar-admitted attorneys who studied at a traditional law school. In some states, you can do an apprenticeship in lieu of completing traditional law school, but nine times out of ten the apprenticeship route is simply not economically wise for several reasons:

• In California, those who have not attended an accredited law school are required to pass a "Baby Bar," which is notoriously more difficult than the actual bar exam and has a pass rate of around 10%. Chances are you are going to spend years trying to clear this hurdle if you do an apprenticeship. I'm sure there is a similar story in other states that accept apprenticeships in lieu of traditional law school.
• Some law firms who know they have a non-lawyer who wishes to become one will pay a portion of tuition at an accredited law school anyway, because it is the fastest option.

For other fields, it is a similar story where you can technically advance to a high-level position without a degree. However, it takes years to decades within lower-level positions where you may be just barely scraping by if you aren't independently wealthy or don't have a spouse who is already making the kind of money you would in the position you are aiming for.

For someone who is complaining so much about agendas, you sure are doing a ton to advance one on a forum that proports to be apolitical.