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Started by wdcrft63, March 27, 2018, 06:05:36 PM

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wdcrft63

Some Virginia experience may be relevant here. The toll financed Richmond Petersburg Turnpike (I-95) opened in 1958. The original bonds were paid off by 1975. The highway department (now VDOT) took over and issued new bonds to expand the road and upgrade some interchanges. In addition toll revenues were also tapped to support other projects in the Richmond area. Political pressure brought this to an end and tolls were removed in 1992, 34 years after the road opened.

Some years down the road it's easy to imagine the legislature being tempted to tap toll revenues on 540 for other projects in the Raleigh area, like US 64 in Cary/Apex or Capitol Boulevard (US 1).


architect77

Quote from: wdcrft63 on July 12, 2025, 06:08:09 PMSome Virginia experience may be relevant here. The toll financed Richmond Petersburg Turnpike (I-95) opened in 1958. The original bonds were paid off by 1975. The highway department (now VDOT) took over and issued new bonds to expand the road and upgrade some interchanges. In addition toll revenues were also tapped to support other projects in the Richmond area. Political pressure brought this to an end and tolls were removed in 1992, 34 years after the road opened.

Some years down the road it's easy to imagine the legislature being tempted to tap toll revenues on 540 for other projects in the Raleigh area, like US 64 in Cary/Apex or Capitol Boulevard (US 1).

There is no past evidence or precedent that North Carolina government will ever behave in such a manner. They would not make people pay on one road that benefits them for another distant road that they may never use at all.

At age 56, I have much more faith in NC state government. I honestly don't know of any other state that genuinely has tried to lift up every citizen and handle tax money more prudently than NC. There is a lot of transparency with the state agencies and there are no lavish government buildings like in most other states.

architect77

Quote from: Beltway on July 12, 2025, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 12, 2025, 01:25:21 AMThis is not correct, due to N.C.G.S. §136-89.188(a) ("Revenues derived from a Turnpike Project authorized under this Article shall be used only for the following costs associated with the Project from which the revenue was derived or a contiguous toll facility"), the Monroe Expressway and the Triangle Expressway each maintain separate operating and capital budgets and are financed as individual projects.

For a broad look at NCTA's finances you can read the statements included in the Series 2024A bonds for the Triangle Expressway: https://www.ncdot.gov/divisions/turnpike/investor/Documents/official-statement-series-2024-a-b.pdf (Page 480 of 550 for Manager's Discussion and Analysis)

Furthermore, per N.C.G.S. §136‑89.196 ("The Authority shall, upon fulfillment of and subject to any restrictions included in the agreements entered into by the Authority in connection with the issuance of the Authority'srevenue bonds, remove tolls from a Turnpike Project."), tolls must be removed from an NCTA project once the revenue bonds have been retired.

While a major expansion project requiring the issuance of new debt could in theory prolong the tolls, a situation like Pennsylvania where Turnpike revenue is used as a slush fund for other unrelated projects is not possible under the current law.
You're right to cite §136-89.188(a) and §136‑89.196 — those statutes do require revenue to be tied to the project it comes from. However, the reality of how the North Carolina Turnpike Authority operates shows a more nuanced picture.

While each project is financed and budgeted individually, the NCTA uses shared systems, centralized toll processing, and administrative functions across its projects — effectively creating a hybrid model. This is evidenced in documents like the FY 2025 NCTA Budget Report, which show up to 5% of total toll revenues can support joint operational expenses. It's not full pooling, but it's not purely isolated either.

So yes, the law outlines separate financing — but the execution leans collaborative, and that's why "pooled financing" remains a valid lens in understanding how these projects are sustained.

While capital and operating budgets are separate, the financial and operational architecture is interconnected. That's why calling it "pooled financing" — or at least a hybrid model — is a fair characterization.

The NCTA doesn't pool toll revenue in the traditional sense of blending all funds into one pot. But it does operate a centralized system where shared services and limited cross-project revenue use create a functional equivalent of pooled support.

The Triangle Expressway is often referred to as a single toll road, but it's actually composed of four distinct segments, each with its own financing and operational structure:
+ Triangle Parkway (NC 885), 3.5 miles, first segment to open (December 2011)
+ Western Wake Expressway (NC 540), 12.4 miles, opened in phases through 2012
+ Southern Wake Expressway (NC 540), 16.5 miles (plus a 4.41-mile extension opened in 2024), completed in stages through 2013 and 2024
+ Phase 2 of the Complete 540 project, 10 miles, scheduled completion: 2028

Each segment was financed separately — with its own revenue bonds, trust agreements, and tolling schedules — and they maintain individual capital and operating budgets.

So while the Triangle Expressway functions as a continuous corridor, it's legally and financially treated as four separate toll facilities built at different times -- and future de-tolling would presumably not be a simple one time event -- so this highway itself is using pooled toll financing.

It sounds like they are pooling only the payment and billing systems for better efficiency at lower costs, just like their refinancing at opportune times.

I would not want them to pool individual toll roads across the state, and it doesn't appear that they do.

If NC540 segments and loans are kept separate, I predict they will de-toll each section as they are paid off. It seems quite easy to remove the tolling gantries from the 1st section upon pay off. People will have the right to complain if it's not done in that manner when the time comes.

architect77

Quote from: Beltway on July 09, 2025, 04:57:32 PM
Quote from: architect77 on July 09, 2025, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on July 08, 2025, 10:13:56 PMSo IMHO the system tolls are probably permanent and will be there in 30 or 40 years and beyond.
Well you are entitled to your opinion, and I guess all of the published scheduled payback for NC540 that's available on the NC Turnpike's authority's website and NCDOT is just meaningless.
The only precedents for toll roads in the Southeast were both paid off and then the tolls removed in VA and GA. NC's state government has been quite trustworthy for decades, and they haven't ever wasted taxpayer money on lavish government buildings or anything like that in the state's entire history.
NCDOT is very transparent and goes to a lot of trouble to publish every last detail about every aspect of their funding and borrowing. They even report a weekly cash on hand to address emergency highway repairs, etc.
So I doubt you will be able to sow seeds of distrust with all the toll roads data published online including how they refinanced during periods of low interest to save millions and pay off the bonds faster. And don't forget the state's credit rating with all the bureaus of AAA which enables the state to borrow at low rates.
I think you meant Kentucky, not Georgia as they don't have any turnpikes.

So what exactly does the law say? Someone here said 25 years of tolls. Is that for an individual toll road? Or for the system (which clearly is pooled in the manner of Maryland)?

This is a worthy discussion because back in the 1950s all or nearly all states claimed that their toll roads would become free when the toll revenue bonds were paid off. Very little mileage-wise has been detolled. Connecticut, Virginia and Kentucky are the only ones I can think of.

States with major turnpikes from the 1950s-60s -- MA, NH, NY, PA, NJ, MD, DE, OH, IN, IL, OK, KS, WV. All still tolled.

In the early 1990s, Georgia embarked on a rare new highway construction project. They bought out pricey land and homes thorugh Buckhead to connect GA400 (a Northern suburbs freeway orginally ending at I-285 down into the city to I-85). The GA400 extension is maybe 7 miles and it was paid for with a 50 cent toll that lasted 20-25 years until it was paid off. The tolls were extended 1 additional year to pay for a flyover connection to I-85 North which was planned but not part of the original construction.

Trust in Georgia state government is much lower than faith in NC's so it boded well for Georgia to keep its promise and remove the GA400 toll in the early 2010s.

Beltway

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Quote from: architect77 on July 12, 2025, 07:53:38 PMThere is no past evidence or precedent that North Carolina government will ever behave in such a manner. They would not make people pay on one road that benefits them for another distant road that they may never use at all.
There is no past evidence or precedent that North Carolina government has . . . because . . .
+ The Monroe Expressway is a 20-mile, all-electronic toll road in Union County, opened to traffic November 2018.
+ The first segment of the Triangle Expressway opened in December 2011, marking the debut of North Carolina's first modern toll road.

So there is no history of what will happen in 20 years or so when the first tollroad segment may be paid off.
QuoteAt age 56, I have much more faith in NC state government. I honestly don't know of any other state that genuinely has tried to lift up every citizen and handle tax money more prudently than NC. There is a lot of transparency with the state agencies and there are no lavish government buildings like in most other states.
Yes, we all know that NC is the Cat's Meow.

Quote from: architect77 on July 12, 2025, 08:02:44 PMIf NC540 segments and loans are kept separate, I predict they will de-toll each section as they are paid off. It seems quite easy to remove the tolling gantries from the 1st section upon pay off. People will have the right to complain if it's not done in that manner when the time comes.
The NC Quick Pass system is centralized for billing, customer service, and transponder interoperability. This pooling improves efficiency, reduces administrative costs, and allows seamless travel across all NC toll roads and 19 partner states.

It is really hard to predict what will happen when (and if) they expand the tollroad system. These highways are basically brand new.
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architect77

Quote from: Beltway on July 12, 2025, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: architect77 on July 12, 2025, 07:53:38 PMThere is no past evidence or precedent that North Carolina government will ever behave in such a manner. They would not make people pay on one road that benefits them for another distant road that they may never use at all.
There is no past evidence or precedent that North Carolina government has . . . because . . .
+ The Monroe Expressway is a 20-mile, all-electronic toll road in Union County, opened to traffic November 2018.
+ The first segment of the Triangle Expressway opened in December 2011, marking the debut of North Carolina's first modern toll road.

So there is no history of what will happen in 20 years or so when the first tollroad segment may be paid off.
QuoteAt age 56, I have much more faith in NC state government. I honestly don't know of any other state that genuinely has tried to lift up every citizen and handle tax money more prudently than NC. There is a lot of transparency with the state agencies and there are no lavish government buildings like in most other states.
Yes, we all know that NC is the Cat's Meow.

Quote from: architect77 on July 12, 2025, 08:02:44 PMIf NC540 segments and loans are kept separate, I predict they will de-toll each section as they are paid off. It seems quite easy to remove the tolling gantries from the 1st section upon pay off. People will have the right to complain if it's not done in that manner when the time comes.
The NC Quick Pass system is centralized for billing, customer service, and transponder interoperability. This pooling improves efficiency, reduces administrative costs, and allows seamless travel across all NC toll roads and 19 partner states.

It is really hard to predict what will happen when (and if) they expand the tollroad system. These highways are basically brand new.

It's not hard to predict. All of the payback schedules of all toll projects are posted online. The documents state how everything will proceed.

Of course the transponders and system infrastructure is centralized for efficiency. They are always refinancing and doing everything possible to be efficient and pay off the debt as quickly as possible for the least amount of money.

Each tolled roadway in the state has been a last resort to fast track improvements. They aren't trying to make money off the public. No one likes paying tolls, and the state does care about those without the financial means to easily pay extra to get places.

Like I said, you can read all the documentation online at either the turnpike authority website or NCDOT's.

bob7374

Announcement of 1 of 2 upcoming NCDOT public meetings about the work of completing the NC 540 Loop to I-87/US 64/US 264:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/R-2829A-R-2829-B-2025-09-09.aspx

bob7374

The Complete NC 540 project is up for an AASHTO award, NCDOT is asking for your vote:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2025/2025-09-23-ncta-project-online-vote.aspx

bob7374

The Triangle Parkway extension is also celebrating its first anniversary. Should we be impressed by the statistics found listed by NCDOT? Available at:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2025/2025-09-25-celebrate-one-year-triangle-expressway.aspx

Revive 755

Quote from: bob7374 on September 25, 2025, 05:25:33 PMThe Triangle Parkway extension is also celebrating its first anniversary. Should we be impressed by the statistics found listed by NCDOT? Available at:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2025/2025-09-25-celebrate-one-year-triangle-expressway.aspx

"An average of 72,300 vehicles per month"?  If that is not a typo, then I-180 in Illinois probably sees more traffic (2600*30)

Mapmikey

Quote from: Revive 755 on September 25, 2025, 09:27:53 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 25, 2025, 05:25:33 PMThe Triangle Parkway extension is also celebrating its first anniversary. Should we be impressed by the statistics found listed by NCDOT? Available at:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2025/2025-09-25-celebrate-one-year-triangle-expressway.aspx

"An average of 72,300 vehicles per month"?  If that is not a typo, then I-180 in Illinois probably sees more traffic (2600*30)

If you divide the traffic count into the number of transactions then each vehicle averaged 150 transactions per trip.

One of their statistics is wrong, I believe. If it were 72k a day it would be 5 transactions per trip which would make sense. In fact NCDOT traffic count for the last segment before the extension is 17k AADT.

jcil4ever

Certainly some progress on the northern end of the project at the future intersection with I-87 and I-540:

Also, apparently it's been a while since I've come this way; while the change to have the lanes at the end of 540 East be exit only makes sense, they probably should have updated the signage to reflect that. However, according to Streetview, this change is at least nearly a year old.

jcil4ever

Just noticed this tonight; should be To 40 West, right?
Street View

Interestingly (ok, maybe...), it looks like it was right at the end of 2022 even after being updated for 885.

bob7374

Quote from: jcil4ever on December 19, 2025, 07:27:10 PMJust noticed this tonight; should be To 40 West, right?
Street View

Interestingly (ok, maybe...), it looks like it was right at the end of 2022 even after being updated for 885.
Yes, the direction for I-40 was changed during the project that was replacing the directions along the Triangle Expressway in anticipation of its extension to I-40/I-42. West and South NC 540 became East and East and North NC 540 became West. Perhaps some overzealous sign contractor thought that the switch applied to the overhead signs as well.  :-D

fillup420

Quote from: bob7374 on December 19, 2025, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: jcil4ever on December 19, 2025, 07:27:10 PMJust noticed this tonight; should be To 40 West, right?
Street View

Interestingly (ok, maybe...), it looks like it was right at the end of 2022 even after being updated for 885.
Yes, the direction for I-40 was changed during the project that was replacing the directions along the Triangle Expressway in anticipation of its extension to I-40/I-42. West and South NC 540 became East and East and North NC 540 became West. Perhaps some overzealous sign contractor thought that the switch applied to the overhead signs as well.  :-D

I thought i noticed that the other day, but all the other signs are correct, so i figured i just read it wrong.

jcil4ever

Just saw this pop up on YT; good look on the progress already. What you can see from the 40/42/540 turbine is definitely not representative of the project!

CanesFan27

I believe we have discussed in this subtopic - the short-lived Interstate 540 from I-40 to NC 54 towards Cary and Apex.  You know where the signs were put up for Future I-540, but were changed to NC 540 because of an FHWA ruling.  Well, I was recently able to reaccess old, outdated memory cards I had and upload the entire set of photos of the covered I-540 shields and what construction looked like back in Spring 2007.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/albums/72177720331178189/

maxkil123

Quote from: CanesFan27 on December 28, 2025, 01:41:33 PMI believe we have discussed in this subtopic - the short-lived Interstate 540 from I-40 to NC 54 towards Cary and Apex.  You know where the signs were put up for Future I-540, but were changed to NC 540 because of an FHWA ruling.  Well, I was recently able to reaccess old, outdated memory cards I had and upload the entire set of photos of the covered I-540 shields and what construction looked like back in Spring 2007.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/albums/72177720331178189/

I wonder why they decided against using I-540 but adding a toll sign.

Dirt Roads

Quote from: CanesFan27 on December 28, 2025, 01:41:33 PMI believe we have discussed in this subtopic - the short-lived Interstate 540 from I-40 to NC 54 towards Cary and Apex.  You know where the signs were put up for Future I-540, but were changed to NC 540 because of an FHWA ruling.  Well, I was recently able to reaccess old, outdated memory cards I had and upload the entire set of photos of the covered I-540 shields and what construction looked like back in Spring 2007.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/albums/72177720331178189/

Quote from: maxkil123 on December 31, 2025, 08:44:06 AMI wonder why they decided against using I-540 but adding a toll sign.

I can't find the exact details about this first section of the Western Wake Expressway south of I-40 (I-40 -to- NC-54), but the AASHTO approved the use of the number I-540 for the third segment (NC-55 -to- US-64) on April 19, 1996 subject to AASHTO approval.  Also, AASHTO approved the use of I-540 signage with "FUTURE" banners for all of these sections if not connected to the Interstate system when first opened. 

This first segment is not tolled.  The North Carolina Turnpike Authority was created in October 2002 to manage the tolling of the third segment of the Western Wake Expressway.  But on August 13, 2005, Gov. Easley signed SB-622 which allowed tolling on certain Federally-funded freeways, meaning that FHWA would never approve I-540 on the third segment.  Things start to get cloudy in 2006 when the General Assembly approved the Triangle Expressway as a toll road, which included most of the second segment (and effectively renamed both the second and third segments). 

I can't find any reference that indicates that FHWA specifically *disapproved* the use of I-540 numbering over this first segment.  But by the time that the first segment was getting ready to open in 2007, NCDOT and AASHTO had several run-ins:  (1) Disapproval of I-185 between I-85 -and- I-40; (2) Disapproval of I-195 for the loop around Fayetteville (soonafter approved as I-295); (3) FHWA mandate that a portion I-240 be brought up to modern Interstate standards as part of designation as I-26 (which still ain't done); (4) Disapproval of I-795 over the newly constructed route between Wilson -and- Goldsboro (AASHTO reversed the same year).  By this time, there were also arguments over the use of bannered "Future" Interstates, a thorn that continues to poke and prod NCDOT this day. 

My best guess is that NCDOT attempted to get FHWA approval for the use of I-540 on this first segment and never received it; thus needed to swap signs at the last minute.  It is also likely that there was some serious concerns about the use of an Odd-Digit 3DI to indicate a "spur" the dumps directly onto a tolled facility.


bob7374

Quote from: CanesFan27 on December 31, 2025, 01:19:55 PMhttps://www.gribblenation.org/2007/07/i-540-getting-new-name.html

https://www.gribblenation.com/ncpics/raleigh/540.html (Thank you to whomever squatted our old site)

Brian and I had a lot of posts about it in 2007:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2007/05/whats-in-name-540-or-triangle.html?m=1

https://www.gribblenation.org/2007/07/i-540i-mean-nc-540-photos.html?m=1

https://www.gribblenation.org/2007/07/i-540-exit-numbers-to-be-correct-on.html?m=1

https://www.gribblenation.org/2007/06/western-extension-of-i-540-delayed-by.html?m=1

https://www.gribblenation.org/2007/05/for-whom-interstate-tolls.html?m=1
Thanks for the trip down memory lane (or should that be Expressway?). Glad NCDOT investigated why the 540 exit were initially numbered wrong. That certainly never happened again (oh, forgot the original exit numbers for the Havelock Bypass were off by 19, glad they found that out without anyone's help).

I was amused by the comment from 2008 that without tolls NCDOT projected the rest of the Outer Loop would not be built by 2030. The current date for completing the tolled Triangle Expressway is 2028. Meanwhile, NCDOT just put out a reminder that the next toll increase starts January 1: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2025/2025-12-30-annual-toll-rate-increase-triangle-expressway-monroe-expressway.aspx
This means an increase of $0.12 from $4.05 to $4.17 if traveling the 18 miles of the original Triangle Expressway from N.C. 55 to I-40 in Durham and an increase of $0.14 cents from $4.19 to $4.33 if traveling the 18 miles of the new extension of the Triangle Expressway from N.C. 55 to I-40 in Garner. 

bob7374

#471
NCDOT has announced interestingly signed detours for the closing of the I-87 Knightdale Bypass in both directions next week between Smithfield and Hodge Roads for Complete NC 540 project related construction:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2026/2026-04-02-overnight-closures-i87-540.aspx

fillup420

Quote from: bob7374 on April 02, 2026, 06:10:18 PMNCDOT has announced interesting detours for the closing of the I-87 Knightdale Bypass in both directions next week between Smithfield and Hodge Roads for Complete NC 540 project related construction:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2026/2026-04-02-overnight-closures-i87-540.aspx

I don't think the detour routes are anything out of the ordinary. NCDOT always seems to sign interstate detours with the largest thru-traffic vehicles in mind.

Great Lakes Roads


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The Ghostbuster

No updates on Google Maps Satellite View showing construction of the final segment of NC 540 between Interstate 87 and Interstates 40/42.