Using AI to Moderate Discussion Forums

[LilianaUwU]

Note wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)

Wikipedia won't get Québec right, so why do you think they'd get some random guy's name right?

[kphoger]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

His nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml

That doesn't change the fact that the accent mark affects how the name is pronounced.

Note wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)

Actually, from the little bit I've read, I think Wikipedia gets it right.  AIUI, he was asked to add an accent mark to his nickname on his baseball uniform.  Outside of the context of his baseball career, I don't think he actually spells it with an accent mark.

[SectorZ]

I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.

He puts an accent mark on the e?  Weird.  That changes which syllable is stressed.

His nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml

That doesn't change the fact that the accent mark affects how the name is pronounced.

Note wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)

Actually, from the little bit I've read, I think Wikipedia gets it right.  AIUI, he was asked to add an accent mark to his nickname on his baseball uniform.  Outside of the context of his baseball career, I don't think he actually spells it with an accent mark.

The baseball reference page has it correct. It is prononunced kee-kay, no accent and it would be the slur against Jews.

[kphoger]

The baseball reference page has it correct.

Nope.  According to the man himself in 2015, "Teams started using an accent to avoid controversy" when he was playing for the Miami Marlins.  His commentary:  "I don't mind it. It's in Spanish. If you don't read it in Spanish, it can be offensive."

[Max Rockatansky]

That's a pretty name nickname by Spanish standards.  Everyone in my wife's family calls my younger brother in-law "Gordo."  The only person who actually calls him by his legal name is his wife.

[kphoger]

That's a pretty name nickname by Spanish standards.  Everyone in my wife's family calls my younger brother in-law "Gordo."  The only person who actually calls him by his legal name is his wife.

Yeah, a lot of Mexicans' nicknames would be offensive here in the States.  Plenty of ladies go by Gorda too.

Then, I know one guy down there whose nickname is Chili Bean, but I have no idea why.

[SectorZ]

The baseball reference page has it correct.

Nope.  According to the man himself in 2015, "Teams started using an accent to avoid controversy" when he was playing for the Miami Marlins.  His commentary:  "I don't mind it. It's in Spanish. If you don't read it in Spanish, it can be offensive."

They do have it correct, I am using his name as marketed by MLB. Given it's not his actual name, it is kind of offensive to use it (without the accent) in the country that birthed the term, especially given he was born here. MLB wasn't joining him in that. If his birth name was misconstrued with a slur, and he was born in another country, it would be different.

It does not change my original comment, that an AI-enabled forum was deleting posts referencing his name without the accent because without it, it is commonly known as a slur.

[kphoger]

I am using his name as marketed by MLB.

That's my point.  Kiké with an accent mark is only his nickname according to the MLB.  He has an existence outside of the MLB.

Given it's not his actual name, it is kind of offensive to use it (without the accent) in the country that birthed the term, especially given he was born here.

Yes, technically Puerto Rico is part of the USA.  But they speak primarily Spanish there, and the nickname Kike does not have an accent mark in Spanish—including Puerto Rican Spanish.  It is not offensive to use the nickname (without the accent) in the Puerto Rico that birthed him.

MLB wasn't joining him in that.

They didn't join him in anything.  They started it.

If his birth name was misconstrued with a slur, and he was born in another country, it would be different.

That's precisely what happened, except that technically Puerto Rico is a US territory.

It does not change my original comment, that an AI-enabled forum was deleting posts referencing his name without the accent because without it, it is commonly known as a slur.

And that's basically the same reason he has accepted the MLB-styled nickname in the context of his career.

[bugo]

None of my off forum Facebook road groups have AI/algorithm tools activated.  I did shit can a couple folks recently for constantly sharing AI road content in two of my groups.  Having my hand on the wheel seems to be the way forward for the foreseeable future. 

Which groups do you moderate?

[Max Rockatansky]

None of my off forum Facebook road groups have AI/algorithm tools activated.  I did shit can a couple folks recently for constantly sharing AI road content in two of my groups.  Having my hand on the wheel seems to be the way forward for the foreseeable future. 

Which groups do you moderate?

Old Highway 101 is by far the largest.

[1995hoo]

I have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.

< rolleyes >

Mike

Facebook refused to allow posts involving Mr Brain's, a brand of British food, because its filtering software assumed the name of the food was an impolite word sometimes used to refer to male homosexuals.

[kphoger]

Facebook refused to allow posts involving Mr Brain's, a brand of British food, because its filtering software assumed the name of the food was an impolite word sometimes used to refer to male homosexuals.

I must admit, the first time I saw this at the grocery store here in Wichita, I just had to take a picture.

[1995hoo]

Facebook refused to allow posts involving Mr Brain's, a brand of British food, because its filtering software assumed the name of the food was an impolite word sometimes used to refer to male homosexuals.

I must admit, the first time I saw this at the grocery store here in Wichita, I just had to take a picture.

And, of course, there's also "spotted dick," which seems like it ought to be on the shelf next to the product you mention.

[kphoger]

spotted dick

Made by Heinz.

[hbelkins]

spotted dick

Will penicillin cure that?

[1995hoo]

spotted dick

Will penicillin cure that?

I tried to respond to you via PM because I want to say something that can't be posted out here on the forum, but your PMs are not working. Oh well.

[kphoger]

your PMs are not working

gee how did that happen