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Proposed but never built toll roads

Started by hbelkins, May 04, 2014, 03:53:57 PM

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DrSmith

There was also the NJ 92 proposal of the NJ Turnpike that finally got canned


SimMoonXP


roadman65

There was the NE Extension of the PA Turnpike that would have went further north of its current terminus in Clarks Summit, PA if I-81 had not been built.
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Bobby5280

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Back in the 1990s the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority was wanting to build turnpikes from Duncan to Davis and another one from Clinton to Snyder. Neither one made any sense to me. Given the fact the roads were never built I guess they didn't make sense to too many lawmakers.

QuoteThe proposed US 69 turnpike from the Red River to Big Cabin (excluding the freeway section from Muskogee to McAlester).

I would be in favor of such a turnpike or free access Interstate style facility. I'd have a hard time finding another highway with at-grade intersections that has as much truck traffic as this route.

Quote from: bugoI think there was a proposal for a turnpike from OKC to the panhandle.

It's been years since I've seen it, but I remember a map showing the locations of various turnpike proposals in Oklahoma. There was a bunch, including an Oklahoma City to Woodward & Boise City turnpike.

I wouldn't mind seeing a turnpike or freeway from OKC to Woodward, but would really prefer a full blown Interstate directly linking Oklahoma City to Denver. IMHO, that's a very major "spoke" missing from the highway system. It would be a diagonal route like I-44 just flipped the opposite directly. There's not very many Southeast to Northwest diagonal Interstate highways and there's none in the Great Plains. A turnpike from Oklahoma City to Woodward alone probably wouldn't generate enough traffic to be cost effective. A complete link from I-70 at Limon, CO spanning down through Woodward and then into OKC at I-40 would get a bunch of long haul traffic (and toll revenue if the road was a turnpike).

Pete from Boston


Quote from: roadman65 on May 07, 2014, 08:18:37 AM
The NJ Turnpike, had a proposal once to extend it northward to connect with the NY State Thruway, but as you can see now it never got built.

Doing some unrelated research I was reading through some Bergen County newspapers from 1956, and I was surprised how much serious coverage this proposal actually got.  For better or for worse, Bergen was developing so fast in those days that acquiring the right-of-way to run another highway through didn't take long to become impossible.  Just a few years earlier, the Parkway was built through a lot of farmland in northern Bergen, but those farms were vanishing every day (and are about 99.5% gone today). 

golden eagle

If and when the Airport Parkway in the Jackson area is ever built, most likely, it will be a toll road.

briantroutman

Quote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
There was the NE Extension of the PA Turnpike that would have went further north of its current terminus in Clarks Summit, PA if I-81 had not been built.

Well for that matter, there were about seven other PA Turnpike extensions in the planning phase that were transferred over to the PA Department of Highways and built as free Interstates (or as a US Route in the case of the Gettysburg Extension) after passage of the 1956 Highway Act.

Quote from: Jeff Kitsko - PAHighways.com



Scranton Extension

Philadelphia Loop Extension

Chester Extension

Gettysburg Extension

Northwestern/Southwestern Extension

Northwestern Extension

Sharon to Stroudsburg Lateral Connection

I think the most interesting proposal was an early plan for what is today I-80 to run from Stroudsburg westward to a terminus at the Susquehanna River in Millersburg–assumably a parallel of US 209. But why there–and why end it in a one-horse town 30 miles from the turnpike mainline? I wouldn't be surprised if the PTC's chairman at the time, Thomas J. Evans, a "good ol' boy"  from Schuylkill County who was later convicted of defrauding the commission of millions, was instrumental in that plan.

Tom958

I recall seeing a mid-fifties drivers' ed textbook with a similar map showing turnpikes from Atlanta to Birmingham, Chattanooga and Greenville.

jrouse

Quote from: SimMoonXP on May 13, 2014, 08:57:22 PM
CA-56 (Sorrento Freeway) Between I-5/I-805 merge to east of Poway, CA. It was realigned the proposed CA-56 freeway to several miles north of original proposed Sorrento Freeway (CA-56).

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~238655~5511604:Progress-Map,-California-Interstate?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/California;q:california%2Btransportation;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=88&trs=102

I don't know that CA-56 was ever proposed as a toll road.

There are at least 3 dead toll road proposals in California that I know of. 

State Route 276: This would have connected State Route 198 with a proposed recreation complex planned by Disney in the Mineral King area near Sequoia National Park.

State Route 57 extension: This project was one of 4 that were approved as part of California's first public-private partnership law.   It would have extended State Route 57 south from its current terminus at the Orange Crush to I-405.  It would have been located within the Santa Ana Flood Control Channel right-of-way.

Mid-State Tollway:  This was another of the 4 projects that was approved as part of the aforementioned P3 law.  This route would have run from I-80 between Dixon and Vacaville to the I-680/State Route 84 junction near Sunol, roughly the same routing as State Route 84.  A spur would have connected with the I-505/I-80 junction in Vacavlle and another spur would have served the I-205/I-580 junction near Tracy; the latter spur is roughly the same as unbuilt State Route 239.  The northern end of the route was later truncated to the junction of State Route 4 and State Route 160.  This was due to high costs associated with the two high-level bridges that would have been needed to cross the Sacramento and San Joaquin Rivers (both of which are major shipping channels at those locations) and community opposition in Solano County. 

Info on the State Route 57 extension and the Mid-State Tollway can be found at
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/paffairs/about/toll/rt57.htm
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/paffairs/about/toll/midstate.htm

andy3175

Quote from: jrouse on May 27, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: SimMoonXP on May 13, 2014, 08:57:22 PM
CA-56 (Sorrento Freeway) Between I-5/I-805 merge to east of Poway, CA. It was realigned the proposed CA-56 freeway to several miles north of original proposed Sorrento Freeway (CA-56).

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~238655~5511604:Progress-Map,-California-Interstate?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/California;q:california%2Btransportation;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=88&trs=102

I don't know that CA-56 was ever proposed as a toll road.


Prior to finding non-toll revenues to build CA 56, there was a political thought in the mid-1990s that tolls could be levied on the section between Carmel Valley Road and Black Mountain Road. But this idea never took hold, and a local proposition later allowed development along the CA 56 corridor, and funding was found to have the freeway fully open by 2004.

More on this at:
https://www.aaroads.com/california/ca-056.html
Regards,
Andy

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seicer

There was a proposal to build the West Virginia Turnpike north of Charleston to Parkersburg, but it was never built.

jrouse

Quote from: andy3175 on May 27, 2014, 11:58:29 PM
Quote from: jrouse on May 27, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: SimMoonXP on May 13, 2014, 08:57:22 PM
CA-56 (Sorrento Freeway) Between I-5/I-805 merge to east of Poway, CA. It was realigned the proposed CA-56 freeway to several miles north of original proposed Sorrento Freeway (CA-56).

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~238655~5511604:Progress-Map,-California-Interstate?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/California;q:california%2Btransportation;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=88&trs=102

I don't know that CA-56 was ever proposed as a toll road.


Prior to finding non-toll revenues to build CA 56, there was a political thought in the mid-1990s that tolls could be levied on the section between Carmel Valley Road and Black Mountain Road. But this idea never took hold, and a local proposition later allowed development along the CA 56 corridor, and funding was found to have the freeway fully open by 2004.

More on this at:
https://www.aaroads.com/california/ca-056.html

Thanks Andy.  I was not aware of this. 

Pete from Boston

#37
The route of I-80 was proposed as a New Jersey Turnpike extension in this early 50s map (which also shows the erstwhile Northern Extension route):



(from http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/MAPS.html)

RG407

In the early 1990's there was a proposal to build a toll road in Orlando that would have connected FL 528/Bee Line Expressway to I-4 near Kaley Avenue.  It was known as the Central Connector and would have been signed as State Road 529.  The primary purpose would have been to provide a faster route between downtown Orlando and the airport.

DeaconG

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Quote from: RG407 on June 15, 2014, 10:14:20 PM
In the early 1990's there was a proposal to build a toll road in Orlando that would have connected FL 528/Bee Line Expressway to I-4 near Kaley Avenue.  It was known as the Central Connector and would have been signed as State Road 529.  The primary purpose would have been to provide a faster route between downtown Orlando and the airport.

The neighborhoods in it's path didn't want any parts of it.  Hope they're enjoying the clusterfuck Semoran Boulevard is now, not to mention where it connects to the Bee (Beach) Line...

Add: Wasn't the Goldenrod Extension supposed to be the south end of the Connector?
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RG407

Quote from: DeaconG on June 21, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: RG407 on June 15, 2014, 10:14:20 PM
In the early 1990's there was a proposal to build a toll road in Orlando that would have connected FL 528/Bee Line Expressway to I-4 near Kaley Avenue.  It was known as the Central Connector and would have been signed as State Road 529.  The primary purpose would have been to provide a faster route between downtown Orlando and the airport.

The neighborhoods in it's path didn't want any parts of it.  Hope they're enjoying the clusterfuck Semoran Boulevard is now, not to mention where it connects to the Bee (Beach) Line...

Add: Wasn't the Goldenrod Extension supposed to be the south end of the Connector?
The Central Connector would have connected with the Bee Line at or near the Orange Avenue overpass.  Goldenrod is a few miles to the east and on the other side of the airport.

And speaking of Semoran (SR436), the Expressway Authority has toyed with the idea of making it a toll road between the airport and SR408, but it's never shown up in any long-term plans.  I think that's why the interchange with SR528 is signed as Exit 1.



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