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Quote from: ElishaGOtis on August 05, 2026, 11:54:01 PMHoly cannoli: a NON-FREEWAY was just increased to 70mph, public-ish approach to Edwards AFB on Rosamond Blvd. This is a 4-lane divided and UNDIVIDED highway on some portions. I'm guessing since that road is subject to Edwards AFB jurisdiction it's exempt from the 65 cap and CHP approval requirements?

https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4514071/412th-ceg-paves-the-way-for-faster-safer-and-smoother-commutes/

Yes, the military is fully responsible for traffic enforcement on bases.  There is a whole traffic court system and military specific MUTCD.  The UCMJ isn't really enforceable upon civilian personnel but a traffic judge can issue an installation driving debarment. 

Tbh I think this might be the highest DOD DOW:rolleyes: speed limit anywhere? Can't think of any 75 / 120km/h off the top of my head...

It is the fastest I can think of.  I would have thought Mercury Highway would have a higher limit than 55 MPH now.  Turns out that hadn't changed. 


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moabdave

Echo Summit by David from Moab, on Flickr

Dashcam footage of US-50 eastbound descending from Echo Summit to Lake Tahoe. At the very end of the clip is a road branching off to the right that is closed off by a gate covered in left arrows. Then a few feet later is a road branching off to the left. Both are the original alignment of US-50. And near as I can tell there was a set of hair pin curves and the modern alignment used the segment between the two curves, resulting in why they don't line up. The original alignment of US-50 crossed at Johnson Pass, not Echo Summit. The re-route was obviously to lessen the grade and remove some hairpin curves, but I'm not sure when it was re-routed.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: moabdave on August 17, 2026, 04:01:33 AMEcho Summit by David from Moab, on Flickr

Dashcam footage of US-50 eastbound descending from Echo Summit to Lake Tahoe. At the very end of the clip is a road branching off to the right that is closed off by a gate covered in left arrows. Then a few feet later is a road branching off to the left. Both are the original alignment of US-50. And near as I can tell there was a set of hair pin curves and the modern alignment used the segment between the two curves, resulting in why they don't line up. The original alignment of US-50 crossed at Johnson Pass, not Echo Summit. The re-route was obviously to lessen the grade and remove some hairpin curves, but I'm not sure when it was re-routed.

It was realigned in two stages circa 1938 and 1947:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2025/04/former-us-route-50-and-pioneer-route.html?m=1

moabdave

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2026, 08:28:40 AMIt was realigned in two stages circa 1938 and 1947:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2025/04/former-us-route-50-and-pioneer-route.html?m=1
Thanks.I knew someone here would know the answer. But now I feel silly with an entire writeup on the subject on a site I kinda follow just last year.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: moabdave on August 17, 2026, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2026, 08:28:40 AMIt was realigned in two stages circa 1938 and 1947:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2025/04/former-us-route-50-and-pioneer-route.html?m=1
Thanks.I knew someone here would know the answer. But now I feel silly with an entire writeup on the subject on a site I kinda follow just last year.

FWIW one of the reasons I find writing stuff for our page is that I don't have to remember exacting details.  Self plagiarism comes in handy with regularity.

Voyager

Quote from: moabdave on August 17, 2026, 04:01:33 AMEcho Summit by David from Moab, on Flickr

Dashcam footage of US-50 eastbound descending from Echo Summit to Lake Tahoe. At the very end of the clip is a road branching off to the right that is closed off by a gate covered in left arrows. Then a few feet later is a road branching off to the left. Both are the original alignment of US-50. And near as I can tell there was a set of hair pin curves and the modern alignment used the segment between the two curves, resulting in why they don't line up. The original alignment of US-50 crossed at Johnson Pass, not Echo Summit. The re-route was obviously to lessen the grade and remove some hairpin curves, but I'm not sure when it was re-routed.

There was also another thread where you can see the freeway routing still from parcels originally purchased by Caltrans that were never built near Pioneer Trail.
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moabdave

Some pics of CA-108 over Sonora Pass if anybody is interested. Also, I do have some descent dashcam footage. But it's a few select good bits, most of it has too much glare. But if anybody is interested, I can try to splice together the good chunks.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/moabdave/albums/72177720335292424/with/55484213003/

IMGP9867 by David from Moab, on Flickr

lstone19

Quote from: moabdave on August 17, 2026, 04:01:33 AMEcho Summit by David from Moab, on Flickr

Dashcam footage of US-50 eastbound descending from Echo Summit to Lake Tahoe. At the very end of the clip is a road branching off to the right that is closed off by a gate covered in left arrows. Then a few feet later is a road branching off to the left. Both are the original alignment of US-50. And near as I can tell there was a set of hair pin curves and the modern alignment used the segment between the two curves, resulting in why they don't line up. The original alignment of US-50 crossed at Johnson Pass, not Echo Summit. The re-route was obviously to lessen the grade and remove some hairpin curves, but I'm not sure when it was re-routed.

I've been on both of the old road segments. Back in the early 80s during a snowstorm, traffic was sent up the old grade from Myers due to avalanche control on the main road. And then in 2023, car traffic was sent over Johnson Pass while construction was going on at Echo Summit (large vehicles were held and convoyed at intervals).

moabdave

Dashcam footage of select parts of CA-108 over Sonora pass Eastbound. Some highlights:
0:46 Kennedy Meadows View Area
0:53 this is the hairpin curve on a 26% grade where at least 2 semis have jacknifed this year.
1:19 Sonora Pass crest.
1:39 Sign warning 25% grade
2:16 hairpin curve descending towards the Walker river and Levitt Valley. Barely visible but while rounding the corner in the distance is the Marine winter combat training center.

Sonora Pass Eastbound by David from Moab, on Flickr

And the westbound:
0:06 same curve mentioned above where the MWTC is faintly visible in the distance while climbing out of the Walker River gorge.
0:26 Cresting the pass
0:42 Hill sign ironically warning trucks to use low gear despite trucks supposedly prohibited on this road.
1:17 The truck jackknife curve
1:43 View area for the Kennedy Meadows (didn't actually stop there)
Sonora Pass Westbound by David from Moab, on Flickr

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