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Started by golden eagle, May 07, 2010, 01:17:09 PM

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I-10:
I would leave westbound Baton Rouge and eastbound Slidell in the city proper. From there I would change eastbound from Bay St. Louis to Biloxi and maybe alternate it with Gulfport.

I-55:
I would add Jackson as a northbound city along with Hammond south of I-12.

U.S. 90 Business:
I would leave eastbound as it is. I would change westbound from Westwego-Gretna to Houma and Thibodaux.

I-12, I-59, and the I-x10s would stay the same.

shoptb1

I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

The pic is a little warped, but you get the idea :)


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huskeroadgeek

Quote from: ausinterkid on June 02, 2010, 07:33:13 AM
Then after GJ?
I'm not sure there really is a consistent control city for the rest of I-70 west to its terminus. I believe mileage signs use Green River, Salina and Richfield at different points, but I don't know that any of them are consistently a control city. Las Vegas also appears on mileage signs beginning in W Colorado.

The Premier

Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.
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shoptb1

Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Point taken, but does I-80 go through New York City, or even New York for that matter?  No.   :nod:

Scott5114

I-80 dumps you off onto I-95 where you're in close proximity to NYC, though, and you're pretty much in the NYC metro area. You have to make a deliberate action to even enter Pittsburgh's metro area.

I kind of like the the idea that Britain has where "trailblazer" destinations such as these are enclosed in brackets (or as we call them over here, parentheses). So if you can easily reach this destination from this road, but not directly, it gets bracketed. So "I-80 WEST: Youngstown/(New York City)"
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agentsteel53

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 02, 2010, 10:04:31 PM
So if you can easily reach this destination from this road, but not directly, it gets bracketed. So "I-80 WEST: Youngstown/(New York City)"

how easy is easy?  would Las Vegas count on I-70?  LA?
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TheStranger

Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 02, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 02, 2010, 10:04:31 PM
So if you can easily reach this destination from this road, but not directly, it gets bracketed. So "I-80 WEST: Youngstown/(New York City)"

how easy is easy?  would Las Vegas count on I-70?  LA?

This makes me wonder if I-70 at the I-15 junction is further away from Los Angeles, than I-40 in Arizona at the easternmost point (Flagstaff?) that it is signed for LA.

California does use indirect control cities at times:

San Francisco for Route 120 west (via I-5, I-205, AND I-580)
Sacramento for I-680 north (via I-80)
San Jose for Route 152 west of I-5 (via US 101)
Santa Cruz for Route 85 south of US 101 (via Route 17)
San Francisco for I-580 west from I-5 to the MacArthur Maze (via I-80 - note that I-580 west to the Maze and I-80 west to SF used to be part of US 50)
Stockton for I-580 east from the Macarthur Maze to I-205, and I-205 east (via I-5 - all of this route was once US 50)
Pittsburg for Route 242 north (via Route 4 - note that both were at one time part of Route 24)
Rio Vista for Route 160 north (via Route 12 west)
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agentsteel53

Quote from: TheStranger on June 02, 2010, 10:46:28 PM
This makes me wonder if I-70 at the I-15 junction is further away from Los Angeles, than I-40 in Arizona at the easternmost point (Flagstaff?) that it is signed for LA.


LA to Cove Fort is 519 miles.  LA to Flagstaff is 467.  I just can't remember if 40 is signed for LA more than about 52 miles east of Flagstaff.  There was at one point that distance sign (of over 1000 miles!) at San Jon, NM, but I haven't seen it in a while.
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shoptb1

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 02, 2010, 10:04:31 PM
I kind of like the the idea that Britain has where "trailblazer" destinations such as these are enclosed in brackets (or as we call them over here, parentheses). So if you can easily reach this destination from this road, but not directly, it gets bracketed. So "I-80 WEST: Youngstown/(New York City)"

I'm pretty much just stirring a pot here, but I've long thought that we need some equivalent of the European signs that show destinations on intersecting freeways.  For example, here's a mileage sign on Bundesautobahn A99 in Bavaria, which shows distances to control cities along the intersecting A8 and A9 Bundesautobahnen.  


TheStranger

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shoptb1: I might have to come up with a few US equivalents for the Road-Related Illustrations thread...

EDIT: Here's my first try, in the following post:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=575.msg64470#msg64470
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hbelkins

Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Disagree about Zanesville. Cambridge, maybe, since it is an interstate crossroads, but not Zanesville.
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Quote from: hbelkins on June 03, 2010, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Disagree about Zanesville. Cambridge, maybe, since it is an interstate crossroads, but not Zanesville.
Zanesville is secondary status.  Just like Mansfield along I-71 and Lima along I-75.
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Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Considering that Dayton is now used as a control city along I-70, even though I-70 doesn't go there, and that I-70 originally went through Pittsburgh, one could make an valid arguement for using Pittsburgh as a control city for I-70 EB between Columbus and Washington, Pa.
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InterstateNG

Quote from: osu-lsu on June 03, 2010, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Considering that Dayton is now used as a control city along I-70, even though I-70 doesn't go there, and that I-70 originally went through Pittsburgh, one could make an valid arguement for using Pittsburgh as a control city for I-70 EB between Columbus and Washington, Pa.

There's a great deal of difference between I-70's service of Dayton and Pittsburgh.
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TheStranger

Quote from: InterstateNG on June 03, 2010, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: osu-lsu on June 03, 2010, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: The Premier on June 02, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on June 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'd personally like to see Pittsburgh PA used in conjunction with Wheeling WV as a control city on I-70E from Columbus to Washington PA.  I mean, if Ohio can use New York City on I-80E, why not use Pittsburgh?  In fact, they already do on I-70E at Buckeye Lake.

That's because I-70 doesn't go to Pittsburgh. It instead goes to Washington, PA. Thurthermore, Wheeling should be the control city for I-70 past Zanesville, while Zanesville should be the control city past Columbus.

Considering that Dayton is now used as a control city along I-70, even though I-70 doesn't go there, and that I-70 originally went through Pittsburgh, one could make an valid arguement for using Pittsburgh as a control city for I-70 EB between Columbus and Washington, Pa.

There's a great deal of difference between I-70's service of Dayton and Pittsburgh.

I-70 definitely passes much closer to Dayton (about 7 miles north of the core) than Pittsburgh (about 30 miles southwest).

A similar situation I can think of is I-65 being signed for Chicago even though it ends in Gary, 30 miles from the Loop - but this only involves one highway switch (from 65 north to 90 north) as opposed to 70 to Pittsburgh (which requires one to take 70 east to 79 north, then to 376 east).

Having said that, Pittsburgh would work as a secondary control city.
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Brandon

Giving Pittsburgh as a control city for I-70 would not be much different than giving Chicago as a control city for I-80.  I-80 cuts through the South Suburbs, but never really comes close to the city.  The closest it comes is 5 miles to the city limits, but over 20 miles to the Loop.  However, controls east and west say "Chicago".
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Mr_Northside

Quote from: TheStranger on June 03, 2010, 04:11:54 PM
Having said that, Pittsburgh would work as a secondary control city.

I agree... while the Route number I-70 stays away from Pittsburgh, the best "route" for traffic from that area to get to PGH is the I-70 -> 79 ->376 connection.  And, at the risk of sounding like I'm just touting my city, PGH is big enough of a destination that I feel it's warranted.
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shoptb1

Quote from: Mr_Northside on June 04, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
I agree... while the Route number I-70 stays away from Pittsburgh, the best "route" for traffic from that area to get to PGH is the I-70 -> 79 ->376 connection.  And, at the risk of sounding like I'm just touting my city, PGH is big enough of a destination that I feel it's warranted.

The problem is that PGH has no direct 2DI connection.  It's a triangle...I-70, I-76, and I-79 all serve the Pittsburgh metro area, and I think that all should have Pittsburgh as a control city...if not primary, then at least secondary.

TheStranger

Quote from: shoptb1 on June 05, 2010, 03:13:45 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on June 04, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
I agree... while the Route number I-70 stays away from Pittsburgh, the best "route" for traffic from that area to get to PGH is the I-70 -> 79 ->376 connection.  And, at the risk of sounding like I'm just touting my city, PGH is big enough of a destination that I feel it's warranted.

The problem is that PGH has no direct 2DI connection.  It's a triangle...I-70, I-76, and I-79 all serve the Pittsburgh metro area, and I think that all should have Pittsburgh as a control city...if not primary, then at least secondary.


I almost feel like in the Cleveland area, I-480 east of I-271 and I-80 between I-480 and I-76 should have Pittsburgh as a secondary control city as well, even though 80 exits itself at I-76...
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sandiaman

I-40  at the junction with I-25  (locally known as the  Big  Eye),  shows a control city eastbound as Santa  Rosa  (  population 2500).   Most  interstate travelers   would be unframiliar with such as  small  town.  My suggestion:  Amarillo (  population 170,000).  New  Mexico  prefers the smaller  control cities, except in the south  where they use  Tucson  or El Paso  on the BGS.

agentsteel53

El Paso is a pretty large control city ... especially considering that the next place on I-10 to the east of there of any significance is San Antonio, which is another 550+ miles further!  :-D
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Quote from: sandiaman on June 05, 2010, 04:59:15 PM
I-40  at the junction with I-25  (locally known as the  Big  Eye),  shows a control city eastbound as Santa  Rosa  (  population 2500).   Most  interstate travelers   would be unframiliar with such as  small  town.  My suggestion:  Amarillo (  population 170,000).  New  Mexico  prefers the smaller  control cities, except in the south  where they use  Tucson  or El Paso  on the BGS.
Ever since I first saw that, I thought Santa Rosa seemed a bit too small for a control city, especially at a major highway junction like I-40/I-25. If they still wanted to use a smaller city and one that was in the state, they could use Tucumcari, which is what I-40 West in Amarillo is signed for.



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