States "Mimicking" Other States

[Alps]

More on topic - I've noticed that LA's and FL's freeway bridges (and other bridges, I suppose) have the same railing style (concrete, rectangular). They also have similar wildlife in their bayous and swamps (anhingas, for example). Question is, which state is copying which?

[J N Winkler]

Is CA 110 referred to only as the Parkway? Since the Clearview demons only invaded I-110, and you say that's THE 110, thought I'd ask.

Jake is talking about the Arroyo Seco Parkway segment of Route 110 (formerly Pasadena Freeway, before that Arroyo Seco Parkway).  There was a major sign replacement on it a year or two ago as part of an effort to develop it as a historic resource which has been ongoing since the late 1990's.  The signing plans all show Series E Modified.  I am aware of no examples of Clearview which have actually been installed by Caltrans (any Clearview on I-110 was likely installed by a local or regional measure agency working in coordination with Caltrans' Office of Special Funded Projects).

[J N Winkler]

More on topic - I've noticed that LA's and FL's freeway bridges (and other bridges, I suppose) have the same railing style (concrete, rectangular). They also have similar wildlife in their bayous and swamps (anhingas, for example). Question is, which state is copying which?

Can you describe the railing style in more detail?  "Concrete, rectangular" could, for example, fit Kansas corral rail, which notwithstanding the name, is a very common style used well outside the Midwest and indeed the tropical South.

[US71]

Wyoming copied Colorado's shape.

??
Please explain

[national highway 1]

Wyoming and Colorado are the only rectangular states of the US.

[US71]

Wyoming and Colorado are the only rectangular states of the US.

So what?

[J N Winkler]

Actually Colorado isn't rectangular, if the Chama jog is taken into account.

[agentsteel53]

Wyoming and Colorado are the only rectangular states of the US.

you forgot Kansas.  well, that's shaped like a Jello mold, but close enough.

[Alps]

Is CA 110 referred to only as the Parkway? Since the Clearview demons only invaded I-110, and you say that's THE 110, thought I'd ask.

Jake is talking about the Arroyo Seco Parkway segment of Route 110 (formerly Pasadena Freeway, before that Arroyo Seco Parkway).  There was a major sign replacement on it a year or two ago

For one small piece of it, yes, now I remember. For the Parkway part to the north that's still four curvy lanes, all the signs are very much button copy.

[Alps]

More on topic - I've noticed that LA's and FL's freeway bridges (and other bridges, I suppose) have the same railing style (concrete, rectangular). They also have similar wildlife in their bayous and swamps (anhingas, for example). Question is, which state is copying which?

Can you describe the railing style in more detail?  "Concrete, rectangular" could, for example, fit Kansas corral rail, which notwithstanding the name, is a very common style used well outside the Midwest and indeed the tropical South.

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[J N Winkler]

you forgot Kansas.  well, that's shaped like a Jello mold, but close enough.

By that "close enough" criterion, you could also let in both Dakotas.  Oregon would be stretching it though.

For one small piece of it, yes, now I remember. For the Parkway part to the north that's still four curvy lanes, all the signs are very much button copy.

I double-checked the construction plans for the project in question.  (The Caltrans contract number is 07-4T0304 and I am pretty sure the plans can still be downloaded from the Caltrans Office Engineer website if you're interested.)  Quite a few mainline signs were changed out between the Four Level (where the Arroyo Seco Parkway ends and the Harbor Freeway, formerly Harbor Parkway, begins) and the slip ramps which connect to I-5.  North of there the plans show no changes to mainline signs but what appears to be a complete changing-out of crossroad signs leading to the freeway.  In terms of the installed base of historic signs this is actually worse than if the mainline signs had been replaced instead.  The mainline signs are, IIRC, 1960's porcelain enamel with mid-1970's epoxy button retrofits, while the crossroad signs included numerous instances of slot-hole button copy.

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Thanks for this.  This is not, in fact, Kansas corral rail, though I can't identify the exact railing style.

[agentsteel53]

you forgot Kansas.  well, that's shaped like a Jello mold, but close enough.

By that "close enough" criterion, you could also let in both Dakotas.  Oregon would be stretching it though.

as would Connecticut, Pennsylvania ... now Hawaii; there's a square state if I've ever seen one. 

[Quillz]

The US 30 shield has a weird shape and looks a bit too small for the BGS.

It's the typical 1970 shield shape, I think it's the numerals that were made too large.