Freeway signs with the names of control cities that are already within that city

Started by KCRoadFan, August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM

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I remember Sacramento in the Sacramento State University area there is a sign for West US-50 for Sacramento even though its referring to downtown Sacramento sometimes I see San Francisco get included as a reference that I-305 will connect to I-80.


JMoses24

Quote from: cabiness42 on August 30, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.

I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.

It's likely a similar situation to Indianapolis in that they're using the boundaries from when Louisville and Jefferson County were still separate governments.

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Quote from: JMoses24 on December 07, 2020, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 30, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.

I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.

It's likely a similar situation to Indianapolis in that they're using the boundaries from when Louisville and Jefferson County were still separate governments.

When I-64 EB crosses into Kentucky from Indiana, it's in the city limits of Louisville and was before the merger.
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crispy93

I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."

Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.
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Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."

Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.

I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York"  means "Manhattan."  After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)

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As one exits the terminal from Port Columbus, errr, John Glenn International airport, there is an overhead sign directing you towards (I-270/670) Columbus. The airport is in Columbus.
https://goo.gl/maps/kHfBTz7r91qEnnw57
(also the only time I-270 gets Columbus as a control city)
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I don't think I've ever seen that font used on a road sign before. Really odd-looking, but then I guess it is airport signage.
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Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 09, 2020, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."

Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.

I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York"  means "Manhattan."  After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)

Queens County Before 1898 - Was a bunch of Towns and Villages including all towns and villages in what is now Nassau County 1899.

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Quote from: doorknob60 on September 01, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Here's a more traditional example on I-84 in Portland. It's well within city limits by this point. It appears that the ramps technically clip into Maywood Park for a short time though.

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The signs for I-84 West on I-205 also say "Portland", even though it's well within the city limits.
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Quote from: Occidental Tourist on September 05, 2020, 01:02:38 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on September 01, 2020, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city.  These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways

Long Beach is also listed within its city limits on both I-710 and for the CA-22 West exits from I-405 and I-605.

The exits to CA 22 from both the 405 north and the 605 south are located in Seal Beach.  You don't cross into the Long Beach city limits until the 22 crosses over the San Gabriel River.  The exit from the 405 south (which has advance signs that are within city limits) doesn't list Long Beach as a control city, just 7th Street.

Theoretically one of the advance signs on the 605 south might be within city limits where the boundary dips into the middle of the 605 freeway for a small portion just south of Willow St.   Otherwise, the freeway in that section is entirely within unincorporated OC or Seal Beach.

This discussion is why I strongly oppose using Long Beach as a control for 605.  As can be seen when reading the thread, CA control cities will lead you to the downtown of said city.  And for the larger cities, the control is used even within city limits.  605 does go into the eastern parts of Long Beach, but is almost* never a good way to reach Downtown LB.  It is why I prefer Seal Beach for the southern control, even if it is significantly smaller than LB.

* The one exception that I may consider is from 210 WB as it will obviate the need to pass thru city streets on the way to 710.  But there should be clear signage to lead people from 605 to Downtown LB, by way of 605 to 91 to 710.  In the case of other intersecting roads or freeways, Downtown LB traffic should use 710 instead of 605.

Quote from: mapman1071 on December 15, 2020, 03:25:47 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 09, 2020, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."

Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.



I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York"  means "Manhattan."  After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)

Queens County Before 1898 - Was a bunch of Towns and Villages including all towns and villages in what is now Nassau County 1899.

The boro names are very good to use within the city limits.  Outside of the city limits, the use of "New York" should eventually lead to Manhattan.

THe southern state is a bit of a problem, since it does not use Manhattan on its choices at the endpoint.  Belt Pkwy to Brooklyn, as listed is OK.  Cross-Island to Whitestone Bridge should be replaced with Bronx, as it is better to list a place than a bridge.  Cross-Island also leads to both the Clearview and the Whitestone.  The interchange is basically in Queens, so Queens can't be used.  There should be supplemental signs to guide traffic to JFK (Belt), LGA (Cross Island), and Manhattan (Cross-Island to Grand Central OR LIE).

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Orlando, Jacksonville, West Palm Beach, Tampa, and St. Petersburg are Florida's pet peeves with that.
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CTDOT just put up new pull thru signage on I-91 North (and I-84 West) at the new Charter Oak Bridge exit.  Originally, the plans listed Springfield and Waterbury (the latter for I-84) as controls, but put Hartford instead of Springfield despite being within Hartford city limits.
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