Putnam County Routes

[dgolub]

I took the train up to Brewster today and found an interesting county route oddity.  According to NYSDOT, Peaceable Hill Road is Putnam CR 53 outside the Village of Brewster, and the county route designation ends at the village line.  Yet, I found a CR 53 shield on US 6 pointing down Peaceable Hill Road, as well as a CR 53 reassurance shield at the beginning of Peaceable Hill Road, both in the Village of Brewster.  Does anyone know what's up with this?  Is NYSDOT just wrong, or does Putnam County have roads that are designated county routes but not maintained by the county?

[Rothman]

What source are you using at NYSDOT? 

[dgolub]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

[NE2]

Sounds like it's signed like it should be. It does nobody any good to stop signing the route at the village limits.

[Rothman]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

Egads.

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

[dgolub]

Sounds like it's signed like it should be. It does nobody any good to stop signing the route at the village limits.

I'm totally with you there, but a lot of counties tend to do just that.

[dgolub]

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

It's much less of a mess than the SLD from New Jersey.  I'm thinking a FOIL request to Putnam County is probably in order to get their official listing and see what it says.

[vdeane]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

Egads.

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

I've worked with that thing before.

It IS a mess.

[Rothman]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

Egads.

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

I've worked with that thing before.

It IS a mess.

That's what happens when you give an army of data entry people differing instructions over time.

[Dougtone]

During my travels, I find that a lot of county routes in New York State end at a village line. In those cases, I find that the signage also ends at the village line.

In the case of Putnam CR 53, I'm speculating that it may be the case where the route is signed at US 6 for continuity purposes.

[empirestate]

I think Doug's probably right. I wonder what my website has to say about it? Maybe I used an official county map as a source.


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[Dougtone]

I think Doug's probably right. I wonder what my website has to say about it? Maybe I used an official county map as a source.


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I still use your website as a source when I sort through my county road photos of NY. In the field when I'm trying to clinch the county routes of New York, I use my Jimapco atlases, which I find to be accurate most of the time for New York, but they are riddled with errors for Maine.

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[vdeane]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

Egads.

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

I've worked with that thing before.

It IS a mess.

That's what happens when you give an army of data entry people differing instructions over time.

And different databases that accept different input... and municipalities that don't understand/don't agree with the instructions (which not even Main Office can be flexible on due to FHWA requirements)... or try to use the LHI to win arguments... or who never get it because a previous highway superintendent refuses to forward the mail... etc.

[empirestate]

I think Doug's probably right. I wonder what my website has to say about it? Maybe I used an official county map as a source.


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I still use your website as a source when I sort through my county road photos of NY. In the field when I'm trying to clinch the county routes of New York, I use my Jimapco atlases, which I find to be accurate most of the time for New York, but they are riddled with errors for Maine.

SCH-I545

Well, having checked my website on this question, I'm not any less confused.


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[Rothman]

What source are you using at NYSDOT?

The Local Highway Inventory (LHI).

Egads.

It is very much my personal opinion that, in general, the LHI is a mess.

I've worked with that thing before.

It IS a mess.

That's what happens when you give an army of data entry people differing instructions over time.

And different databases that accept different input... and municipalities that don't understand/don't agree with the instructions (which not even Main Office can be flexible on due to FHWA requirements)... or try to use the LHI to win arguments... or who never get it because a previous highway superintendent refuses to forward the mail... etc.

Amen, sister.

[cl94]

Yeah, don't trust the LHI. From what I can tell, it tends to be relatively accurate when concerning jurisdiction (at least in R5), but don't rely on it. Heck, in some counties, "jurisdition" isn't even consistent. In a couple towns in Erie County, the county might "maintain" the road, but signage and signals are often installed by the town, so while it's still "county-maintained", it doesn't look much different from any other highway in the town if you don't know what idiosyncrasies to look for.

If the LHI is your only source of info (as it is in my neck of the woods), you're stuck with it, but try and find other sources for CRs. New York CRs almost always end at city boundaries, but do often extend into villages. Honestly, this might seem really stupid, but your best guess is often from the pavement, striping, and signage. While local municipalities in some states follow state signage standards, New York is not one of those and city/town/village signage is often inferior to county signage.

[KEVIN_224]

@ DOUGTONE: Which Jimapco map of Maine? Online or print? I only have a print map of theirs from 2009 or 2010, It shows all of the municipal boundaries for the cities, towns and organized townships. I've lived in Maine twice and don't ever remember seeing signed county routes.

[Dougtone]

@ DOUGTONE: Which Jimapco map of Maine? Online or print? I only have a print map of theirs from 2009 or 2010, It shows all of the municipal boundaries for the cities, towns and organized townships. I've lived in Maine twice and don't ever remember seeing signed county routes.

I use the New England road atlas, 1st edition.

[dgolub]

OK, they just responded to my FOIL request with a printout from the LHI, so I'll assume it's correct for Putnam County and that it's just a village road signed as a county route.

[Rothman]

OK, they just responded to my FOIL request with a printout from the LHI, so I'll assume it's correct for Putnam County and that it's just a village road signed as a county route.

You know what they say about assumptions...