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Rockaway Freeway
« on: April 13, 2020, 06:03:21 PM »

In Rockaway, NYC, there is a freeway that's just a boulevard under a train. Can anyone give me a reason why it's a "freeway" when all of our freeways are "expressways"?
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2020, 06:30:12 PM »

Supposedly the name came about because when it opened, it was largely free of cross streets and you could go a good distance without hitting a traffic light, so they called it Rockaway Freeway.
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2020, 10:30:55 AM »

lol, they blocked off most of the cross traffic, but nearly every street flows into it. It's a nightmare trying to get from bay to beach. And they closed off a part between 78th and 62nd streets and made it so Beach Channel Drive is discontinuous, and the two swapped alignments at 84th Street, with the "freeway" taking over Java Place as well.
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2020, 06:47:26 PM »

lol, they blocked off most of the cross traffic, but nearly every street flows into it. It's a nightmare trying to get from bay to beach. And they closed off a part between 78th and 62nd streets and made it so Beach Channel Drive is discontinuous, and the two swapped alignments at 84th Street, with the "freeway" taking over Java Place as well.

I havenít been on that road in a very long time. No reason to use it. My fatherís mother lived in an apartment on Seagirt Boulevard, but she died in 1995 and I havenít had reason to go to Far Rockaway since then. My father hated Rockaway Freeway anyway and after the first couple of visits to Far Rockaway he always took Beach Channel Drive instead. He felt Rockaway Freeway was just too unsafe, especially with the whole family in the car. If Iím in the Rockaways now, Iím going the other way to Breezy Point or Roxbury.
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2020, 12:51:11 PM »

lol, they blocked off most of the cross traffic, but nearly every street flows into it. It's a nightmare trying to get from bay to beach. And they closed off a part between 78th and 62nd streets and made it so Beach Channel Drive is discontinuous, and the two swapped alignments at 84th Street, with the "freeway" taking over Java Place as well.

I havenít been on that road in a very long time. No reason to use it. My fatherís mother lived in an apartment on Seagirt Boulevard, but she died in 1995 and I havenít had reason to go to Far Rockaway since then. My father hated Rockaway Freeway anyway and after the first couple of visits to Far Rockaway he always took Beach Channel Drive instead. He felt Rockaway Freeway was just too unsafe, especially with the whole family in the car. If Iím in the Rockaways now, Iím going the other way to Breezy Point or Roxbury.

I was last in the Rockaways in December and for the first time I drove from Far Rockaway to Belle Harbor.  (My previous trips to the area I usually take 878 to FR, and haven't really been on any part of the western side of the Rockaways.)  One thing that struck me as I drove around and looked at the map is that most of the peninsula, west of Bch 35 St, could get by with just two arterials, namely Beach Channel and Rockaway Beach.  The problem is that there is no current way to allow Rockaway Beach traffic to seamlessly continue eastward (along parts of R Fwy) without a whole bunch of turns (and vice-versa westbound).  If that were some how addressed, then the traffic there would be a lot more smoothly.

Much of the R Fwy route could be downgraded to support a bikeway.  It will be shaded thanks to the el. 
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2020, 01:17:33 PM »

All those support pillars for the rail tracks make me feel a bit uneasy - no crash barriers in sight. Is there a ban on commercial traffic around here because even a low speed collision could potentially do severe structural damage there?

I assume the NYC speed limit of 25 applies.
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2020, 02:37:26 PM »

All those support pillars for the rail tracks make me feel a bit uneasy - no crash barriers in sight. Is there a ban on commercial traffic around here because even a low speed collision could potentially do severe structural damage there?

I assume the NYC speed limit of 25 applies.
That area is well-served by the A train, so most folks probably use it to go inbound or the LIRR to head east.

I'd bet truck traffic for that area is directed down the Van Wyck to JFK and then onto Rockaway Blvd. and then the Nassau Expressway. Otherwise you'd be stuck going south on Flatbush Ave., which is no fun even for cars. And you have to pay a toll to use the Marine Parkway Bridge.
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2020, 10:22:58 PM »

All those support pillars for the rail tracks make me feel a bit uneasy - no crash barriers in sight. Is there a ban on commercial traffic around here because even a low speed collision could potentially do severe structural damage there?

I assume the NYC speed limit of 25 applies.
This video, filmed on a similar roadway in Chicago, shows how well this type of road functions at high speeds:
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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2020, 10:58:12 PM »

All those support pillars for the rail tracks make me feel a bit uneasy - no crash barriers in sight. Is there a ban on commercial traffic around here because even a low speed collision could potentially do severe structural damage there?

I assume the NYC speed limit of 25 applies.
This video, filmed on a similar roadway in Chicago, shows how well this type of road functions at high speeds:


Looks like a scene from a "Fast and Furious" movie...

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Re: Rockaway Freeway
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2020, 07:18:06 AM »

It's the 1980 classic Blues Brothers!

And now you know why Revive Wacker Drive was so expensive, the cumulative effects of many Chicago PD vehicles and gunshots...

All jokes aside, we just don't generally have elevated railways above roads like that here in the UK so it rarely causes us to ask the question.
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