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Interstate 369
« on: October 19, 2013, 10:41:06 AM »

why bother covering it, if it's half-undone before they even unveil the sign?
Maybe to hide the "TEXAS" on the shield, as revealed in this unveiled photo from this article:
(above quote from Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur) thread)
This July 16 video report, in addition to having footage of "Future I-69 Corridor" signs, reports (as does this related print report), that the immediate focus regarding the Carthage part of the I-69 Spur (slightly north of where mainline I-69 will meet the I-69 Spur in Tenaha) is to try to get $15 million to complete the west loop around Carthage:
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... the I-69 project through Panola County would cost about $35 million. But, for now, the focus is on trying to get about $15 million to complete the west loop around Carthage.
Even though it will take a long time to build the I-69 Spur, it is interesting to see media coverage of future segments outside of Texarkana.
(above quote from Texarkana (Future I-49, I-69 Spur) thread)

Since the I-369 shields are now up in Texarkana, I thought it would be a good time to start an I-369 thread for the occasional bits of information about I-369 outside of Texarkana. This article discusses Future I-369 in Carthage and other communities along the corridor:

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More progress on Interstate 69 has been completed in the past two years than in the entire 20 years the project has been in the works, said Charles Thomas, executive director of the Carthage Improvement Corporation.
“I guess no one took us serious at first,” Thomas said.
Thomas, along with County Judge David Anderson, are both members of the I-69 Segment One committee. Segment One includes all the counties in which Highway 59 traverses from Texarkana to Nacogdoches ....
the 115 mile segment of interstate that will connect I-69 in Teneha to I-30 in Texarkana will be built around Carthage and has been named I-369.
“The interstate could take the route of the east loop,” Thomas said. “I don’t think either side of the loop would require more studies, and the wide right-of-way wouldn’t take too much space.”

The interstate will split in Tenaha where Thomas said segments will go north to Texarkana and east to Logansport.
“We wanted I-69 to come up to Carthage and then go Highway 79 east, but Logansport had a congressman on the appropriation board,” Thomas said.
Thomas said the interstate construction in Carthage should be smooth.
“Our four lane divided loop is basically an interstate without frontage roads,” Thomas said. “They will either use the existing loop or build an outside loop. I think they will use the existing loop, there are a few driveways, but that’s not hard to fix.”
The entire loop is four lanes except for the Southwest segment from U.S. 59 to Highway 315.
“Panola County is so far ahead of most everyone else,” Thomas said. “We voted bonds to buy the right-of-ways years ago, and now, only one section of the loop is two lanes, that can be fixed in a few years.”

When construction of the interstate is completed, Thomas said Panola Countians will be able to access safer, faster and more convenient roads easier.
“I-69 will only be about 10 miles away,” Thomas said. “Then we’ll have the interstate coming through Carthage.” ....
“They haven’t decided which way the interstate will go around Marshall,” Thomas said. “People want it to go one way or another, but there is no way it can go through town.”
Relief routes have been suggested for existing US Highway 59 through Garrison, Timpson and Tenaha that would widen and upgrade the road, but also include new alignment options around these communities where there is not enough right-of-way to expand the existing road.

Maybe the Carthage Loop will be the first I-369 segment outside of Texarkana.*

edit * However, the Segment One Committee officially listed the Marshall relief route and the Texarkana West Loop as higher priorities.  Two other priorities, (1) the US 59 relief route at Garrison, Timpson and Tenaha, and (2) the US 84 relief route at Tenaha and Joaquin, may involve the I-369/I-69 interchange near Tenaha (page 25/30 of pdf; page 19 of document):



The I-369 shields in Texarkana capped off the first accomplishment of a Segment One I-369-related priority.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 10:41:30 AM »

Got a really stupid question based on the map.  Why is I-369 needed when I-49 will do the exact same thing, not all that far away?  Is Shreveport really all that busy and congested?
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 12:30:10 PM »

Got a really stupid question based on the map.  Why is I-369 needed when I-49 will do the exact same thing, not all that far away?  Is Shreveport really all that busy and congested?
Probably the same reason why I-69E and I-69C are so close together in SE Texas.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 02:11:23 PM »

Was there some routing change for I-369, or did I just have it pictured wrong?  I had thought it was to be more of a diagonal between Texarkana and I-69, but the map a couple posts up just has it going north-south and even cutting back to the east a bit where it will intersect I-69 - a lot less useful IMHO.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 02:45:38 PM »

Was there some routing change for I-369, or did I just have it pictured wrong?  I had thought it was to be more of a diagonal between Texarkana and I-69, but the map a couple posts up just has it going north-south and even cutting back to the east a bit where it will intersect I-69 - a lot less useful IMHO.

You might be thinking of the map from this post:

The I-69 Segment One Committee Report and Recommendations contains an interesting map which ... shows a direct "Committee Suggested I-69 Connecting Route" between Carthage and Nacogdoches as a "Truck Route" (instead of a Relief Route) ... (page 21/155 of pdf; page 15 of document):

If cost were of no concern, then the "Truck Route" would make a lot of sense.  However, if you look at the $4.58 billion cost estimate for Segment One (of which I-369 is a large part) in the map from the OP and compare it to the cost estimates for the other Segments, then it makes sense that they would characterize a new terrain connection from Nacogdoches to Carthage as a "Truck Route".
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 09:53:50 PM »

Was there some routing change for I-369, or did I just have it pictured wrong?  I had thought it was to be more of a diagonal between Texarkana and I-69, but the map a couple posts up just has it going north-south and even cutting back to the east a bit where it will intersect I-69 - a lot less useful IMHO.
That's how US 59 currently goes, and is not really out of the way, being only 8 miles longer than the cutoff on SH 315-US 259 (which would be 45 miles of new freeway). Going via Shreveport, on the other hand, adds 20-30 miles, the same increase as the potential I-69 via Terre Haute that everyone bitched about.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 02:16:11 AM »

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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2013, 10:13:52 AM »

IMO, 369 isn't needed (at least for now).

It's poorly signed (no overheads, even on I-30) and doesn't really add anything to the route.

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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 03:06:07 PM »

Maybe the Carthage Loop will be the first I-369 segment outside of Texarkana.*
edit * However, the Segment One Committee officially listed the Marshall relief route and the Texarkana West Loop as higher priorities ... (page 25/30 of pdf; page 19 of document)

TxDOT has posted The I-69 System (I-369) Harrison County/Marshall Route Study page that will essentially study whether to upgrade the existing US 59 through Marshall or to build a relief route, with the study anticipated to be completed in "late fall 2014":

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The I-69 System (I-369) Harrison County/Marshall Route Study will, with substantial citizen and community participation, determine options for development of I-369 in the Marshall area, with the eventual goal of constructing, designating and signing US 59 as I-369.

The study includes two broad options for consideration:

Upgrade of existing US 59 through Marshall to an interstate highway (I-369), or
Construction of I-369/US 59 on a new location and conversion of existing US 59 through Marshall to Business 59.


Ultimately, this route study and the working group’s efforts will result in the identification of an interstate route option that will then be studied in detail as part of the environmental process. The route study is anticipated to be completed in late fall 2014.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 03:35:13 PM »

IMO, 369 isn't needed (at least for now).

It's poorly signed (no overheads, even on I-30) and doesn't really add anything to the route.


We'll suspect that this will be the case until the Houston-Shreveport link is completed in the far-off future.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 03:47:55 PM »

I-369 at Carthage, TX would need a lot of upgrading: most of the intersections are at-grade (except at 59 North & South and 79 East (North) & West (south). There is a new Wal-Mart (approx 2 y/o) that directly connects to Loop 436 just before US 79.



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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 07:02:49 AM »

Apologies for the bad photo (driving into the sun), but I-369 is now posted on the BGS's along I-30 in Texarkana, TX:

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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 12:04:43 PM »

Apologies for the bad photo (driving into the sun), but I-369 is now posted on the BGS's along I-30 in Texarkana, TX:



Is this Eastbound? I know Westbound doesn't have a "TO 71" overhead...or didn't when I was down there last.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 12:21:08 PM »

^ Yep, this is eastbound. I do wonder if I-49 would eventually be added to that BGS when it is eventually signed?
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 12:21:26 PM »

It is interesting, though (I hate to sound nitpicky, because I AM glad to see a new sign), that US 71 is chosen with Shreveport. I think having Shreveport there is appropriate seeing that the I-49 connection is another 7-8 miles away on EB I-30 and this is the quickest route to Shreveport and points south. But you wouldn't take US 71 once you get to the southern part of the Texarkana loop, you would take AR 549. It's one of those cases where the state highway is the better and faster way to go than the US highway. Either way, the shield over Shreveport can be covered with "TO I-49" shield when that day comes.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 07:57:30 PM »

I was totally unaware that they had come up with a number for this route and am very surprised to see that signs for this route are posted. Honestly when I clicked on this page I was thinking it was going to discuss I-369 in Kentucky and I was going to hear about the crazy Owensboro mayor.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 09:14:50 PM »

I was totally unaware that they had come up with a number for this route and am very surprised to see that signs for this route are posted. Honestly when I clicked on this page I was thinking it was going to discuss I-369 in Kentucky and I was going to hear about the crazy Owensboro mayor.

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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 07:10:19 AM »

Note how current I-369 won't be I-369 in the future, thanks to the loop around Texarkana.

If you are going to have it as an interstate, call it, and loop 151, an x30 or an x49, where x is even!
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2014, 10:53:59 PM »

The entire Texarkana loop from I-30 in Texas to I-30 in Arkansas should be an even x30 (I-230 would work).  It should be duplexed with both I-49 in Arkansas and US 59 in Texas.  I-369 could either end at I-230 or there could be a 230/369/59 triplex between I-30 and the US 59 split.

At least Arkansas renumbered its segment of the bypass from I-49 to the state line to 151 to sort of match Texas' Loop 151.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2014, 01:24:16 PM »

The entire Texarkana loop from I-30 in Texas to I-30 in Arkansas should be an even x30 (I-230 would work).  It should be duplexed with both I-49 in Arkansas and US 59 in Texas.  I-369 could either end at I-230 or there could be a 230/369/59 triplex between I-30 and the US 59 split.

At least Arkansas renumbered its segment of the bypass from I-49 to the state line to 151 to sort of match Texas' Loop 151.

Can't be done due to FHWA/AASHTO protocols. Best to make it an I-x30 between Future I-49 and I-30.

In fact, given that I-369 will probably have to be removed from that segment anyway if the West Texarkana Loop is built since a loop further out will probably have to be constructed to adequately hook it with I-49 north of Texarkana, it may be better to simply keep it as TX/AR 151 for the time being, and save the I-369 shields for later. I know...too late, right?
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2014, 03:22:12 PM »

The entire Texarkana loop from I-30 in Texas to I-30 in Arkansas should be an even x30 (I-230 would work).  It should be duplexed with both I-49 in Arkansas and US 59 in Texas.  I-369 could either end at I-230 or there could be a 230/369/59 triplex between I-30 and the US 59 split.

At least Arkansas renumbered its segment of the bypass from I-49 to the state line to 151 to sort of match Texas' Loop 151.

Can't be done due to FHWA/AASHTO protocols. Best to make it an I-x30 between Future I-49 and I-30.

Why can't it be done?  I know of no FHWA/AASHTO rule that says that two interstates can't be duplexed.

If nothing else, make the entire loop AR/TX 151.  It wouldn't be perfect but it would be better than a loop having 5 different numbers.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2014, 03:52:04 PM »

The entire Texarkana loop from I-30 in Texas to I-30 in Arkansas should be an even x30 (I-230 would work).  It should be duplexed with both I-49 in Arkansas and US 59 in Texas.  I-369 could either end at I-230 or there could be a 230/369/59 triplex between I-30 and the US 59 split.

At least Arkansas renumbered its segment of the bypass from I-49 to the state line to 151 to sort of match Texas' Loop 151.

Can't be done due to FHWA/AASHTO protocols. Best to make it an I-x30 between Future I-49 and I-30.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2014, 07:14:57 PM »

The entire Texarkana loop from I-30 in Texas to I-30 in Arkansas should be an even x30 (I-230 would work).  It should be duplexed with both I-49 in Arkansas and US 59 in Texas.  I-369 could either end at I-230 or there could be a 230/369/59 triplex between I-30 and the US 59 split.

At least Arkansas renumbered its segment of the bypass from I-49 to the state line to 151 to sort of match Texas' Loop 151.

Can't be done due to FHWA/AASHTO protocols. Best to make it an I-x30 between Future I-49 and I-30.
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Re: Interstate 369
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2014, 07:19:38 PM »

Overlaps I-73 and I-785.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2014, 07:35:55 PM »

Overlaps I-73 and I-785.
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